What Makes You Prouder: Contributing or Benefiting?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of pride in contributing to work versus benefiting from the contributions of others. It explores the implications of personal accomplishment and the measurement of contributions in professional settings, touching on themes of mentorship and the nature of pride.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that it is difficult to feel pride when one is merely a beneficiary of others' work, suggesting that pride is more closely tied to personal contributions.
  • One participant questions how contribution levels are measured in large companies, indicating a skepticism towards "symbolic" behaviors that do not reflect true productivity.
  • A humorous remark is made about the manipulation involved in benefiting from others' work, highlighting a more cynical view of the topic.
  • Another participant discusses the nuances of pride, noting that while they feel pride in the accomplishments of others, it is often linked to their own mentorship or involvement, rather than independent achievements.
  • There is a repeated mention of "symbolic" behaviors in the workplace, with a reference to a character from the Dilbert comic strip to illustrate the point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views on the nature of pride and the value of contributions versus benefits. The discussion remains unresolved with differing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of pride and contribution are not fully explored, and the discussion includes varying definitions of what constitutes meaningful contribution.

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Contributing work yourself or benefiting from a worker's contribution?
 
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Its pretty hard to be proud when you are simply the beneficiary of the work of others (although I suppose that some are; they say it takes all kinds).
 
Blackberg said:
Contributing work yourself or benefiting from a worker's contribution?
Some very large companies establish even a team of several members for the so called "value realization" (values of both products and contribution from every single employee). Do you know how such "contribution" level is measured ?
I don't like "symbolic" behaviors or gestures (i.e an employee looks hard-working because he comes on time and leaves late but actually he sits there chatting with others or reading news, something like this I call "symbolic")
 
Obviously the 2nd one, stealing other people's work. It wasn't easy becoming a high-intrigue manipulative shite. You have no idea what I had to go thru to get here.

//bad joke finished.

Why exactly are you asking about this? What happened?
 
I almost can't help but wonder if there's a language issue here.

Pride inherently implies satisfaction or general good feelings that derive from one's own accomplishments.

There are times when I take pride in the accomplishments of others. But that's when I see them succeed as a result of mentorship that I've given them. Examples might include pride in the artwork my children do, or pride when one of my students publishes a paper that I have mentored him through. But again that pride derives from my own actions. I don't feel that same sense of personal pride, if say, a student publishes a paper independent of our collaborative efforts (although I still feel hapy for that person).
 
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Medicol said:
Some very large companies establish even a team of several members for the so called "value realization" (values of both products and contribution from every single employee). Do you know how such "contribution" level is measured ?
I don't like "symbolic" behaviors or gestures (i.e an employee looks hard-working because he comes on time and leaves late but actually he sits there chatting with others or reading news, something like this I call "symbolic")

That reminds me of the coffee cup carrying character in the Dilbert comic strip.
 

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