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The discussion centers around the implications and potential usefulness of a theoretical concept where the nucleus of an atom could be pushed out while leaving the electrons in their orbits for a short period. Participants explore the motivations behind such research and its possible future applications, as well as the nature of scientific inquiry itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the practical significance of being able to push the nucleus out of an atom, asking why this would matter if it were possible.
  • Another participant speculates that stabilizing such an "atom" could lead to a stable cloud of electrons with a non-zero average charge, suggesting potential applications.
  • Some participants argue that not all scientific research has immediate practical benefits, citing the historical example of lasers, which were initially developed without clear applications.
  • One participant asserts that the pursuit of such experiments may yield breakthroughs in understanding fundamental physics, regardless of immediate utility.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the theoretical concept, with some emphasizing the potential long-term benefits of scientific exploration while others remain skeptical about its immediate usefulness. No consensus is reached regarding the practical implications of the research discussed.

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Participants acknowledge the speculative nature of the discussion and the uncertainty surrounding the practical applications of the concept. The conversation reflects a broader debate about the value of theoretical research in science.

Daniel Y.
I was reading the following article on Physorg:

http://physorg.com/news125146806.html

It basically says that one may be able to push the nucleus out of the atom out and leave the electrons orbiting in their normal paths for a tad bit of time, and then repel each other 'after the electrons figure out their nucleus is gone' in a manner of speaking.

I don't know if I missed it in the article, but - why? Who the freak cares if you can do that? Supposing this *is* possible, why would this be useful? Thanks.
 
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Daniel Y. said:
I was reading the following article on Physorg:

http://physorg.com/news125146806.html

It basically says that one may be able to push the nucleus out of the atom out and leave the electrons orbiting in their normal paths for a tad bit of time, and then repel each other 'after the electrons figure out their nucleus is gone' in a manner of speaking.

I don't know if I missed it in the article, but - why? Who the freak cares if you can do that? Supposing this *is* possible, why would this be useful? Thanks.
Don't know, but it's very interesting; maybe you could stabilize such an "atom" giving periodically a positive charge to the center of it, so you could, in theory, have a stable cloud of electron(s) without much average positive charge in it, this means that you would be able to stabilize a "complex" with total average non-zero charge. Just a speculation.
 
Not everything scientists research has an immediate practical benefit. It may be decades before the practical benefits of such research can be realized.

When the laser was first developed it had no practical uses at all. No one could have possibly envisaged the wide range of applications lasers are used for today.

Claude.
 
Daniel Y. said:
I was reading the following article on Physorg:

http://physorg.com/news125146806.html

It basically says that one may be able to push the nucleus out of the atom out and leave the electrons orbiting in their normal paths for a tad bit of time, and then repel each other 'after the electrons figure out their nucleus is gone' in a manner of speaking.

I don't know if I missed it in the article, but - why? Who the freak cares if you can do that? Supposing this *is* possible, why would this be useful? Thanks.

Why? Because we can.

These sorts of things sometimes turn out to be quite useful a couple of decades down the track. A 19th century physicist would probably react the same if you told them about the particle accelerator.
 
Daniel Y. said:
I was reading the following article on Physorg:

http://physorg.com/news125146806.html

It basically says that one may be able to push the nucleus out of the atom out and leave the electrons orbiting in their normal paths for a tad bit of time, and then repel each other 'after the electrons figure out their nucleus is gone' in a manner of speaking.

I don't know if I missed it in the article, but - why? Who the freak cares if you can do that? Supposing this *is* possible, why would this be useful? Thanks.

At the most, it will be a breakthrough concerning learning more about the fundamental laws of physics. At the very least it will be an experiment that will either support or refute hypotheses. Either way, it's helpful since we want a good hypothesis to be supported and a bad one to be refuted, and this will do either.
 

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