What Velocity Is Needed to Escape Earth's Gravity?

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The original poster presents a question regarding the velocity required for an object to escape Earth's gravity, specifically seeking to understand the concept of escape velocity while neglecting external factors such as atmospheric friction and other celestial bodies.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate Newton's laws to the problem but expresses uncertainty about integrating their equations over time. They question the complexity of deriving the escape velocity using basic calculus and physics.
  • Some participants suggest using energy conservation principles as a simpler approach, indicating that calculus may not be necessary for this problem.
  • Others mention the possibility of solving the differential equation derived by the original poster, noting it could provide additional insights into the motion involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to understanding the problem, with some participants offering guidance on using energy conservation. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and while the original poster expresses excitement about discovering the concept of escape velocity, there is no explicit consensus on the preferred method of solution.

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The original poster's question is self-generated, and they express a desire to avoid overly complex methods, indicating a preference for undergraduate-level calculus and physics. There is an underlying assumption that the problem has been addressed in educational contexts before.

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Homework Statement


A question I made up myself:
With what velocity would an object need to be launched at to totally overcome gravity of the Earth (to have a constant velocity out in space somewhere.) Neglecting other planets, atmosphere friction, etc.


Homework Equations


Newton's Second Law
Newton's Universal law of gravitation


The Attempt at a Solution


I figured mass would be negligable if I combined N2L and NGrav and said:

F=ma=G*m*(earth's mass)*(r^-2)

So acceleration is -G(mass earth)(r(t)^-2)

But the thing is that I want to launch this baby so fast that "R" is a function of time. So when I integrate over a time differential I run into problems, because I want to integrate from t=0 to t="t" so what pops out for velocity is g(mass earth)/(r(t))- g(mass earth)/(earth's radius) plus initial velocity if you will.

I don't even know if this is correct, and I know if I take the next step to get to position I will get into natural logarithms and I'd really not trust myself then. I guess whenever I get to my position equation then that becomes my "r(t)" and I just have myself a differential equation of some sort.

I'm sure this problem has been done before and I'm almost certain it takes differential equation even at the most simple level. Does anyone know of a basic explanation of how to calculate this that only uses relatively simple undergraduate calculus and physics? I know it's connected to the topics of trajectory motion but I'm guessing the solution is more complicated than the typical "throw the ball in the air how high will it go?" brand of problems.

Thanks
 
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Are you familiar with potential energy? The problem is trivially easy to do if you use energy conservation - no calculus required. For inspiration, take a look at the Wikipedia article on escape velocity.

Alternatively, you can do it by solving the differential equation you obtained. It's a little more complicated that way, but it's an interesting exercise (and it's necessary if you want to know how much time it takes the object to reach a certain height).
 
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I guess it's a concept called escape velocity and it can be derived a few different ways.
Very Cool!
 
diazona said:
Are you familiar with potential energy? The problem is trivially easy to do if you use energy conservation - no calculus required. For inspiration, take a look at the Wikipedia article on escape velocity.

Alternatively, you can do it by solving the differential equation you obtained. It's a little more complicated that way, but it's an interesting exercise (and it's necessary if you want to know how much time it takes the object to reach a certain height).

Yep! very cool
 

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