What Wavelengths Are Missing in the Reflected Light from a Thin Film Coating?

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The discussion revolves around a thin film interference problem involving a coating with a refractive index of 1.37 on glass slabs with a refractive index of 1.6. The original poster seeks to identify which visible wavelengths from white light (400 to 700 nm) are missing in the reflected light due to interference effects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concepts of constructive and destructive interference, questioning how phase changes affect these outcomes. There is discussion about the implications of phase changes upon reflection and how they relate to the conditions for missing wavelengths.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of phase change and path length differences, seeking clarification on their roles in determining interference patterns. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between phase changes and the conditions for constructive versus destructive interference, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and implications of phase change and path length difference, with participants expressing uncertainty about their relationship and significance in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A coating of film n=1.37 on glass slabs (n=1.6) is 8.45X10^-5 cm thick.If white light is incident normally, which visible wavelengths are missing in the reflected light? White light containing wavelengths from 400 to 700 nm.


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I know how to solve for the answer but how am i supposed to know whether it is constructive and destructive? Also, what does the phase changes mean (e.g. pi and 0) and does it have any importance when i solve for the answer?? Thanks!
 
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lha08 said:
I know how to solve for the answer but how am i supposed to know whether it is constructive and destructive?
Note that the problem asks about wavelengths that are missing in the reflected light.
Also, what does the phase changes mean (e.g. pi and 0) and does it have any importance when i solve for the answer??
When light reflects off of a surface with a higher index of refraction, there's a phase change of pi. So, in this case, both reflections get the same phase change.
 
Doc Al said:
Note that the problem asks about wavelengths that are missing in the reflected light.

When light reflects off of a surface with a higher index of refraction, there's a phase change of pi. So, in this case, both reflections get the same phase change.
So, does that mean that it depends on whether if they use "missing" or "enhanced" that allow us to determine if it's constructive or destructive? missing=destructive enhanced=constructive?

I'm not really sure but if i was to graph this, would i ultimately have 2 sinusoidal functions where the first function would have a phase change of pi and the second one with pi as well? so it would just look like a single function that begins at pi?
Thanks a lot.
 
lha08 said:
So, does that mean that it depends on whether if they use "missing" or "enhanced" that allow us to determine if it's constructive or destructive? missing=destructive enhanced=constructive?
That's right.
I'm not really sure but if i was to graph this, would i ultimately have 2 sinusoidal functions where the first function would have a phase change of pi and the second one with pi as well? so it would just look like a single function that begins at pi?
What matters is the phase difference between the reflected waves. That difference has two sources: (1) phase change upon reflection, and (2) path length differences. Since (1) is the same for both waves, all you need to worry about is (2).
 
What matters is the phase difference between the reflected waves. That difference has two sources: (1) phase change upon reflection, and (2) path length differences. Since (1) is the same for both waves, all you need to worry about is (2).
Is the phase change and the path difference the same thing except that phase change is in radians and path difference is in meters? Other than that, I'm not really certain what the difference between the two really is..
 
lha08 said:
Is the phase change and the path difference the same thing except that phase change is in radians and path difference is in meters? Other than that, I'm not really certain what the difference between the two really is..
The phase change upon reflection has nothing to do with path length difference, but both factors together determine the phase difference (measured in radians) between the reflected waves. The path length difference is due to one of the reflected waves traveling a longer distance since it goes back and forth through the thin film; that extra distance translates into a phase difference.
 

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