What would a Primordial super force look like?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a "Primordial super force" that is theorized to have existed just after the Big Bang, particularly focusing on its characteristics, potential effects, and the challenges in understanding and recreating it experimentally.

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  • One participant inquires about the nature of the Primordial super force, questioning whether it would bend space and time, possess positive and negative charges, and what equations might describe its strength.
  • Another participant states that a fully unified theory has not yet been discovered, indicating a general uncertainty about the nature of the Primordial super force.
  • A participant suggests that the unification of gravity with other forces likely occurs near the Planck energy, but notes that current technology cannot probe this scale.
  • There is mention of the Grand Unified Force (GUF) and a request for clarification on its characteristics, indicating interest in the relationship between the GUF and the Primordial super force.
  • One participant points out the lack of mathematical frameworks to predict the properties of quark-gluon plasma, suggesting that while some properties can be calculated, the fundamental workings remain unclear.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the nature and properties of the Primordial super force, with no consensus on its characteristics or how it might be experimentally replicated. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights limitations in current theoretical frameworks and experimental capabilities, particularly regarding the unification of forces and the understanding of high-energy physics phenomena.

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I've been informed that split seconds after the big bang gravity separated from a "Primordial super force".

So what would this super force have looked like just before gravity split from it? Would it have bend space and time? Would it have a positive and negative charge like magnetism? What would the equations be that show it's strength within any given range? Can it's effects be duplicated in an experiment like in a cyclotron perhaps? What temperature would you have to have to recreate a primordial super force?
 
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Unfortunately, the fully unified theory has not yet been discovered. The honest but unsatisfactory answer? Noboby knows.
 
Negeng said:
Can it's effects be duplicated in an experiment like in a cyclotron perhaps? What temperature would you have to have to recreate a primordial super force?
At least this much we know. The unification of gravity with the other three forces is likely to occur very close to the Planck energy, [itex]\sim 10^{19} GeV[/itex]. Current accelerator technology, like the LHC at CERN, is capable of obtaining 10's of TeVs of center of mass collision energy. Unfortunately, we will never probe the scale of unification with terrestrial experiments.

By the way, there is much more known about the likely forms of the grand unified force consisting of the now separate electromagnetic, and weak and strong nuclear forces.
 
bapowell said:
By the way, there is much more known about the likely forms of the grand unified force consisting of the now separate electromagnetic, and weak and strong nuclear forces.

Hey that might be interesting. What would a GUF (Grand Unified Force) look like? Thank you for responding to my question by the way
 
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we still lack the mathematics that would allow us to predict the structure and properties of the quark-gluon plasma starting from its basic physics law. We can calculate some of its properties by means of raw computer power, but that does not tell us how it works.
 

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