What's fundamental for quantum mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the fundamental requirements for understanding and applying quantum mechanics, particularly from the perspective of someone who is not a physicist. Participants explore the essential equations and concepts necessary for engaging with quantum mechanics, while also considering the implications of different approaches and techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to identify the minimum necessary components for "doing" quantum mechanics, emphasizing a focus on fundamental equations rather than complex problem-solving techniques.
  • Another participant suggests that the minimum requirements depend on the specific types of problems being addressed, highlighting the distinction between solid state and molecular applications of quantum mechanics.
  • A question is raised regarding the significance of spin in quantum equations, contrasting it with the non-relativistic nature of certain equations, which some participants find less concerning.
  • It is noted that understanding quantum mechanics necessitates knowledge of linear algebra, differential equations, and basic functional analysis.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of first quantization in relation to particle creation and annihilation, indicating that certain approaches may not be suitable for all quantum problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes the minimum requirements for engaging with quantum mechanics. There are competing views on the importance of various equations and concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the foundational elements necessary for understanding quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of non-relativistic equations and the role of spin, indicating that assumptions and definitions may vary among contributors.

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As I understand it, a lot of what is taught about quantum mechanics are special techniques for solving problems. I'm not a physicist, so something like perturbation theory is not what I'm after. To be more specific, i would like to know the minimum that is necessary for "doing" quantum mechanics, regardless of how inefficient it would be to apply these minimal techniques to complex problems (because as a non-physicist I will never have to work out a complex problem).

What I have learned so far is that the Schrödinger equation is not enough because it does not take spin into account. I think the Schrödinger-Pauli and Dirac equations do. Are there any other equations I should look up? Are knowing the equations and how to apply Hamiltonians all that is really necessary for working out any QM problem (regardless of how time-consuming it would be)?
 
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The "minimum" would depend on what kind of problem(s) you are interested in. The great divide in applied QM is between solid state (including surface) applications and molecular (including cluster) applications.
 
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Why is the non-existence of spin in the equation a deal breaker for you, while the non-relativistic nature of these equations is not?

As gadong have said, it all depends on the problem.

Using first quantization would not permit calculations involving creation and annihilation of particles.
 
Understanding quantum mechanics requires linear algebra, (partial) differential equations, and some very basic knowledge in functional analysis (which appears as a kind of infinite-dimensional generalization of linear algebra).
 
SamRoss said:
As I understand it, a lot of what is taught about quantum mechanics are special techniques for solving problems. I'm not a physicist, so something like perturbation theory is not what I'm after. To be more specific, i would like to know the minimum that is necessary for "doing" quantum mechanics, regardless of how inefficient it would be to apply these minimal techniques to complex problems (because as a non-physicist I will never have to work out a complex problem).

What I have learned so far is that the Schrödinger equation is not enough because it does not take spin into account. I think the Schrödinger-Pauli and Dirac equations do. Are there any other equations I should look up? Are knowing the equations and how to apply Hamiltonians all that is really necessary for working out any QM problem (regardless of how time-consuming it would be)?
This may help:
https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=3873
 
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fargoth said:
Why is the non-existence of spin in the equation a deal breaker for you, while the non-relativistic nature of these equations is not?

As gadong have said, it all depends on the problem.

Using first quantization would not permit calculations involving creation and annihilation of particles.

I was not aware that they were not relativistic. Thanks for the heads up.
 

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