What's the Initial State of Two Spin-1/2 Particles?

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The discussion revolves around the initial state of two spin-1/2 particles, specifically focusing on the Hamiltonian defined as ##H=\gamma s_1 \cdot s_2##. The original poster presents a state ##|\alpha(0)>## that is claimed to be an eigenstate of the spin operators ##s_{1z}## and ##s_{2z}##, both yielding eigenvalue ##\hbar/2##.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the validity of the proposed state ##|\alpha(0)>=|1,1>## and its normalization. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of states like |1,0;1/2,1/2> and |0,0;1/2,1/2> in the result, as they do not satisfy the eigenvalue conditions for both spins being ##\hbar/2##.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the correctness of the proposed state and its components. Some participants express confusion regarding the normalization and the basis used in the right-hand side of the equation. There is acknowledgment of the state ##|\uparrow\rangle \otimes |\uparrow\rangle## as a valid eigenstate of both spin operators.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the implications of the Hamiltonian and the definitions of the spin states, with some uncertainty about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Two particles, their spin are 1/2.

The hamiltonian is ##H=\gamma s_1 \cdot s_2##

At t=0, the state ##|\alpha(0)>## is such as ##s_{1z}|\alpha(0)>=\hbar/2 |\alpha(0)>## and ##s_{2z}|\alpha(0)>=\hbar/2 |\alpha(0)>##. Find the state ##|\alpha(0)>##.2. The attempt at a solution
I think that ##|\alpha(0)>=|1,1>## in the base of total angular momentum, i.e. |1/2, 1/2> in the other one. But the correct result seems to be ##|\alpha(0)>=1/ \sqrt2 [|1,1; 1/2, 1/2> + 1/ \sqrt 2 (|1,0; 1/2, 1/2>+|0,0; 1/2, 1/2>)]##.. what's wrong?

I used the following table:
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bznm said:
##|\alpha(0)>=1/ \sqrt2 [|1,1; 1/2, 1/2> + 1/ \sqrt 2 (|1,0; 1/2, 1/2>+|0,0; 1/2, 1/2>)]##.
I don't see why an unnormalized state should be the correct answer, besides which bases does it use on the RHS?

EDIT: No, I didn't pay a closer attention on the parentheses, yes this state is normalized.
 
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I haven't undestood the result in the book. Can you explain me how you would solve this point?
 
I haven't understood why in the result appear the states |1,0;1/2,1/2> and |0,0;1/2,1/2>. They don't have s1z=1/2 AND s2z=1/2. They are linear combination of ##s_{1z}=\pm 1/2## AND ##s_{2z}=\pm 1/2##! :(
 
Did you post the complete question?
 
yes..
 
You are correct, the only state which is an eigenstate of both ##s_{1z}## and ##s_{2z}## with eigenvalues ##\hbar/2## is the state ##|\uparrow\rangle \otimes |\uparrow\rangle##.
 
thanks to all of you!
 

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