When does a wavefunction inherit the symmetries of the hamiltonian?

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The discussion revolves around the symmetries of quantum mechanical systems, specifically focusing on when wavefunctions inherit the symmetries of the Hamiltonian. Participants explore the implications of Hamiltonian symmetries on stationary states, including ground states, and the conditions under which these states exhibit symmetry properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that if the Hamiltonian is symmetric in one axis, the wavefunction will also be symmetric or antisymmetric, particularly emphasizing that the ground state will be symmetric.
  • Another participant asserts that the entire eigensubspace will be invariant under transformations that leave the Hamiltonian invariant, indicating a phase factor for one-dimensional ground states.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if the Hamiltonian possesses a symmetry group, energy eigenstates can be organized into multiplets that represent that symmetry group, with members of each multiplet sharing the same energy. The hydrogen atom is cited as an example where the Hamiltonian is invariant under the rotation group.
  • One participant introduces the concept of spontaneous symmetry breaking, stating that the ground state need not be invariant under the symmetry group, allowing for multiple degenerate ground states related by symmetry.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of preparing quantum states that solve the Schrödinger equation but do not exhibit the corresponding symmetry of the Hamiltonian, using the hydrogen atom multiplets as an example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between Hamiltonian symmetries and wavefunctions, with some agreeing on the organization of eigenstates into multiplets while others highlight the potential for states that do not exhibit the Hamiltonian's symmetry. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which symmetries are inherited by wavefunctions.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of symmetry and the specific conditions of the Hamiltonian. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of these symmetries or the nature of the transformations involved.

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As the title suggests, I am interested in symmetries of QM systems.

Assume we have a stationary nonrelativistic quantum mechanical system [itex]H\psi = E\psi[/itex] where we have a unique ground state.

I am interested in the conditions under which the stationary states of the system inherit the symmetries of the hamiltonian.

I am aware of some examples. If the hamiltionian is symmetric in one axis, the wave function will be symmetric or antisymmetric. In particular, the ground state will be symmetric. Similarly, if H is invariant under interchange of two coordinates, so will the ground state be (for example in the hydrogen atom).

In general, if the Hamiltonian is invariant under the action of a group, will the ground state also be? Can anyone supply a proof?

Also, even if there is not a unique ground state, will the action of such a group on one ground state always produce another ground state (such that the set of all ground states is invariant under the group action)?

Thank you for your time.
 
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In general the whole eigensubspace will be invariant under any transformation that leaves the hamiltonian invariant. For a one dimensional ground state that means you have invariance up to a phase factor.
 
I think the general statement is something like: if the Hamiltonian has some symmetry group, then the energy eigenstates can be organized into multiplets that form representations of that symmetry group, with the members of each multiplet having the same energy. The hydrogen atom Hamiltonian is invariant under the rotation group, so the energy eigenstates can be organized into degenerate multiplets that form representations of the rotation group (labeled by the quantum number L).

The intuitive content of this is: if the Hamiltonian is invariant under rotations, then we can take any energy eigenstate and rotate it to get another eigenstate with the same energy. So we expect the energy eigenstates to come in degenerate sets consisting of a bunch rotated versions of the same wave function.

The ground state need not be invariant under the symmetry group. [That is, there can be many degenerate ground states, all related to each other by the symmetry]. When this happens we get spontaneous symmetry breaking.
 
Of course one can prepare quantum states which do solve the Schrödinger equation

[tex](H-E)|\psi\rangle = 0[/tex]

but which do not have the corresponding symmetry of the Hamiltonian H. Think about the hydrogen atom. You have multiplets |nlm>. You can prepare a state

[tex]|\psi\rangle = \sum_{lm} \psi_{nlm}|nlm\rangle[/tex]

(no summation over n)

These states are energy eigenstates but not necessary eigenstates of L2 or Lz

So the symmetry of a Hamiltonian is not represented by a single state but by the multiplets.
 

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