When Does the Logarithmic p-Series Converge?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the logarithmic p-series defined by the summation from n=2 to infinity of 1/(n(ln(n)))^p for p>0. Participants explore the application of the integral test to determine the values of p for which the series converges or diverges, including the implications of different ranges of p.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the integral test due to the series being decreasing and positive, and discusses a substitution involving u=ln(n).
  • Another participant corrects a detail regarding the denominator in the integral and provides guidance on how to proceed with the integration and back-substitution.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the series based on the value of p, with claims that when 01, it converges.
  • One participant notes that when p=1, the integral diverges, indicating a specific case that needs attention.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the condition p>0 and clarifies that the range should be 0

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the behavior of the series for different ranges of p, but there are nuances regarding the specific conditions and the treatment of the case when p=1. Some aspects remain open to interpretation, particularly the implications of the integral test and the behavior at the boundaries of the defined ranges.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the logarithmic function and the convergence criteria, particularly around the edge cases of p=1 and the implications of p>0.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying calculus, particularly those interested in series convergence tests and the behavior of logarithmic functions in mathematical analysis.

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So I've been trying to make some progress on this question for my Calc 2 class, here it is:
"The Logarithmic p-series is defined by (sigma summation n=2 to infinity) of 1/(n(ln(n)))p) for p>0. Determine for which values of p it is convergent or divergent."

So off the bat I kind of assumed that to do this with a constant p, and seeing the series is decreasing and positive, I should use the integral test. Set up the integral of this series, and I made a substitution u for ln(n). this ended up with (u-p+1)/(p+1) and I plugged the ln(n) back in and this is where I got kind of lost. Plugging in the limits of integration seemed to be a little messy, and I didn't really know where to go from there. If someone wants to give me a hint or a little guidance that would be nice. Thanks.
 
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I just replied to this but deleted it because I misinterpreted your problem. I would suggest taking some time to learn Latex as it makes things much easier to read.

So you have [math]\sum_{n=2}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n \left(\ln n \right)^p}[/math]

As you said with the substitution of $u=\ln n$ this integral becomes [math]\int \frac{1}{u^p}du=u^{-p}du[/math] We can solve this and then back-substitute, then plug in the limits.

You were close on your solution, but the denominator should be -p, not p.

[math]\int u^{-p}du=\frac{u^{-p+1}}{-p+1}+C[/math]

Plugging back in the substitution $u=\ln n$ that becomes

[math]\frac{(\ln n)^{-p+1}}{-p+1}[/math]

That's pretty much where you are though, so how do we proceed from here? Consider the end behavior of $\ln n$ as $n \rightarrow \infty$. Now also consider positive and negative exponent rules. What happens when there is a negative exponent?

More specifically, if the exponent in the numerator $-p+1$ is positive then does this converge or diverge? What about if it's negative?
 
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Okay that helped a lot. At first your questions were kind of getting me confused, but I wrote it out and I think I got the answer. when 0<p<1, the numerator will approach infinity and therefore the whole term diverges. And when p>1 the numerator will have to be flipped over and multiplied by 1/-p+1. Therefore the whole term will always approach zero and converge. Correct?
 
skatenerd said:
(Having a hard time finding latex...)
Okay that helped a lot. At first your questions were kind of getting me confused, but I wrote it out and I think I got the answer. when 0<p<1, the numerator will approach infinity and therefore the whole term diverges. And when p>1 the numerator will have to be flipped over and multiplied by 1/-p+1. Therefore the whole term will always approach zero and converge. Correct?

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Yep, you're spot on. For $p<1$ (it doesn't just have to be between 0 and 1 in theory) the exponent is positive and the integral diverges, thus the series diverges. When $p>1$ the exponent flips and the $\ln n$ term is now in the denominator so the integral converges. When $p=1$ the integral diverges just because we are dividing by $-p+1$ so the whole thing converges for $p>1$, which should be pointed out is different than $p \ge 1$.

I think you got all of that already but just want to double check.
 
Yep. That makes perfect sense now. Thanks! I appreciate the help.
 
Just an addendum, it has to be $0<p<1$ because one of the hypothesis is $p>0$. I believe that if you take out that it would still be valid, but it's best to remember that bit. :D
 
Fantini said:
Just an addendum, it has to be $0<p<1$ because one of the hypothesis is $p>0$. I believe that if you take out that it would still be valid, but it's best to remember that bit. :D

Oops. Missed that. Good catch :)
 

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