When is it time to quit pursuing math?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and pressures of pursuing mathematics at the undergraduate level, particularly in the context of preparing for graduate school. Participants share their experiences with workload, stress, and the decision of whether to continue in mathematics or consider alternative paths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses feeling overwhelmed by their heavy course load and the commitment required for mathematics, questioning when it might be time to quit.
  • Another participant suggests that the stress may stem more from classwork than from mathematics itself, encouraging a re-evaluation of priorities.
  • Some participants share their own experiences of wanting to quit but finding ways to manage their workload, such as dropping classes or focusing solely on mathematics.
  • Concerns are raised about the pressure to succeed in graduate school applications, with one participant noting the importance of maintaining a balance between academic and personal life.
  • There is a suggestion that happiness should not be solely tied to getting into prestigious graduate programs, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the process of learning.
  • One participant reflects on their decision to reduce their course load and focus on entering the job market instead of pursuing further education, highlighting the difficulty of committing to additional years of study.
  • Another participant shares their determination to stick with their current semester despite feeling overwhelmed, indicating a reluctance to quit.
  • One comment critiques the original poster's self-imposed workload, suggesting that they should reconsider their choices if they feel overwhelmed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the pressures of studying mathematics and the decision to continue or quit. There is no clear consensus, as some advocate for perseverance while others suggest reevaluating commitments.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the varying expectations and norms regarding course loads at their universities, indicating that what is considered a normal load may differ significantly. There are also references to the emotional toll of academic pressures, which may not be universally applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students in mathematics or related fields who are experiencing stress or contemplating their academic paths, as well as those considering graduate school in STEM disciplines.

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I'm currently entering my senior year. Anyway, I really think math is taking it's toll on me. I get very stressed out from mathematics and I truly think that one of the only reasons I don't quit math is because I have put so much time and effort into it.

One of my main problems with math is just how it takes so much committment. I have given up a lot to become a good math student. I probably spend 20-25 hours studying a week, and add together the 15 hours in class, i know that's only a 40 hour week, but it's just draining. I am completely exhausted.

I'm currently taking 3 research projects and 3 undergrad courses (1 advanced seminar, measure theory and a regular course in topology). Maybe I'm just overwhelmed by my workload since it is pretty insane for an undergrad. But my whole plan was to challenge myself as much as I can during undergrad, specifically with research so that grad school isn't too big of an adjustment for me.

Perhaps I'm just talking because it's been a long long year. Last year I took 12 math courses, went to an REU for math and then did an independent study for the rest of the summer at my school. That adds up to over a year straight of studying constantly. Then entering this semester, I'm taking the above mentioned schedule and need to study for the GRE and GRE math exams.

I feel absolutely overwhelmed.

When is it time to really quit?

Also I'm going to apply to grad school just to keep my options open. I heard if you don't plan on becoming a professor that lowers your chances of admission.

If I don't quit math, I really want to get my PhD and work for a hedge fund or get a financial math masters.

Also, how difficult is it to get into a top 10 university for PhD? In general, if I'm not the darling of the math department at my undergrad, do I have a shot at schools like Princeton or Stanford? What about Columbia or Cornell?
 
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I do it for my love of it. I don't feel anything even I am doing it for like 10 hours a day. You are exhausted because of classwork, not of mathematics. Perhaps you can re-think your question again.
 
I think the problem is in your load just like my heavy load last semester. What is the normal load in your uni?

There have been many times I wanted to quit pure maths but lucky for me I haven't yet. I just dropped the other subjects and concentrate on maths.
 
well you can always comfort yourself by the notion that there are children's prodigy who finish bsc in maths after only two years, comapre your coursework load to them.
 
How did you find your summer research? I think that as long as you've enjoyed your research projects you have nothing to worry about. Classes have a lot of artificial stresses.

Part of the problem seems to be that you're "giving up a lot to be a good math student". You will just make yourself unhappy if you stop doing other activities you enjoy in order to do math. So go to parties, play sports, take a non-math class for fun... And it's the beginning of the school year - you can drop a research project if you're feeling overwhelmed.

Happiness is not about getting into Princeton. (You already knew that, but sometimes it helps to be reminded!) Talk to your research supervisors and their grad students and you'll probably get some good grad school suggestions - it's always easier to be upbeat when you can see some options on the horizon.
 
Man I feel you! I am in my final year of undergrad (pure) math and I had to put it to an end. I think I could handle one more tough year, but then you have grad school, which is 2-5 more tough years, I had to get out. I had actually finished enough math at the end of last year for my B.S., and did the summer REU, and this semester I was originally signed up for a grad analysis class, topology, advanced data analysis, and on top of those classes I was wanting to finish some more work on my REU project, study for GREs, it was way too much for me. So I dropped the analysis and topology, and I am now taking a probability theory class. I also decided that I can't be in school for an additional two - five years so I am not worrying about the GREs, so now I have a very easy schedule, and I am basically getting ready to enter the job market, I also joined the water polo club :biggrin:. I am minoring in statistics, so I hope to play up that angle to get a job by the time I graduate, and then relax :smile: Good luck with everything, I am sure you will find something that works for you in some way or another!
 
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Man I feel you! I am in my final year of undergrad (pure) math and I had to put it to an end. I think I could handle one more tough year, but then you have grad school, which is 2-5 more tough years, I had to get out. I had actually finished enough math at the end of last year for my B.S., and did the summer REU, and this semester I was originally signed up for a grad analysis class, topology, advanced data analysis, and on top of those classes I was wanting to finish some more work on my REU project, study for GREs, it was way too much for me. So I dropped the analysis and topology, and I am now taking a probability theory class. I also decided that I can't be in school for an additional two - five years so I am not worrying about the GREs, so now I have a very easy schedule, and I am basically getting ready to enter the job market, I also joined the water polo club :biggrin:. I am minoring in statistics, so I hope to play up that angle to get a job by the time I graduate, and then relax :smile: Good luck with everything, I am sure you will find something that works for you in some way or another!


I'm almost in your exact same situation. I finished out my math major last year, none of the classes I'm taking right now are mandatory except for my topology course.

I think I'm going to stick it out this semester. I hate quitting on things. If I do terribly this semester and bomb the GRE's, then grad schools wasn't meant for me to begin with.
 
your questions seems very strange to me. you admit you purposely loaded yourself up to almost the breaking point, then you wonder what deductions you should make from the fact that you feel your load is breaking you down. duhhh!
 
InbredDummy said:
I'm currently entering my senior year. Anyway, I really think math is taking it's toll on me. I get very stressed out from mathematics and I truly think that one of the only reasons I don't quit math is because I have put so much time and effort into it.

One of my main problems with math is just how it takes so much committment. I have given up a lot to become a good math student. I probably spend 20-25 hours studying a week, and add together the 15 hours in class, i know that's only a 40 hour week, but it's just draining. I am completely exhausted.

I'm currently taking 3 research projects and 3 undergrad courses (1 advanced seminar, measure theory and a regular course in topology). Maybe I'm just overwhelmed by my workload since it is pretty insane for an undergrad. But my whole plan was to challenge myself as much as I can during undergrad, specifically with research so that grad school isn't too big of an adjustment for me.

Perhaps I'm just talking because it's been a long long year. Last year I took 12 math courses, went to an REU for math and then did an independent study for the rest of the summer at my school. That adds up to over a year straight of studying constantly. Then entering this semester, I'm taking the above mentioned schedule and need to study for the GRE and GRE math exams.

I feel absolutely overwhelmed.

When is it time to really quit?

Also I'm going to apply to grad school just to keep my options open. I heard if you don't plan on becoming a professor that lowers your chances of admission.

If I don't quit math, I really want to get my PhD and work for a hedge fund or get a financial math masters.

Also, how difficult is it to get into a top 10 university for PhD? In general, if I'm not the darling of the math department at my undergrad, do I have a shot at schools like Princeton or Stanford? What about Columbia or Cornell?

Perhaps you lack the mental capacity to comprehend complicated mathematics. Have you considered getting a liberal arts degree?
 
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DavidSmith said:
Perhaps you lack the mental capacity to comprehend complicated mathematics. Have you considered getting a liberal arts degree?

If he can mange to last in a maths programme until the final year, I think he does have the mentality to go on. He just overloaded himself that is all. I doubt that he would try to take 7 graduate courses if he goes on to grad school.
 
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You don't need to quit maths, you just need to stop overloading yourself. Everything in moderation, friend.:smile:
 
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Just chill out a bit -- take some time out -- everyone feels like their work's too much for them every now and then -- it should pass.
 
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Yea, cool down and take a break or something. don't let maths give you headaches and just relax. take your time to get the hang of it and soon you will start enjoying maths. have fun. and good luck.
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