When Should I Study Thermal Physics Relative to Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriate timing for studying thermal and statistical physics in relation to quantum mechanics and linear algebra. Participants explore the prerequisites and foundational knowledge necessary for these subjects, particularly focusing on the role of Hilbert spaces and eigenvalues in quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the concept of eigenvalues within Hilbert spaces.
  • Another participant explains that a Hilbert space is an inner product space where all Cauchy sequences converge, noting that quantum states are often described as residing in a Hilbert space, specifically a 'rigged' Hilbert space.
  • There is a suggestion that a valid quantum operator must be an eigenvector of a quantum state with a real eigenvalue.
  • One participant questions whether Strang's linear algebra book is suitable for introductory studies.
  • Another participant mentions the Reif thermal and statistical physics book as a potential resource.
  • A participant expresses the belief that it is never too early to study linear algebra and references a quote attributed to Galileo regarding the importance of mathematics.
  • Strang's book is described as a standard text that emphasizes computation and problem-solving, while another participant prefers the Bamberg and Sternberg book despite its difficulty for self-study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the timing of studying thermal and statistical physics relative to quantum mechanics and linear algebra. Multiple viewpoints on the appropriateness of different textbooks and the foundational knowledge required are present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the prerequisites for studying thermal and statistical physics, as well as the varying levels of familiarity with linear algebra among participants.

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can somebody explain eigenvalues inside hilbert spaces??
 
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I suppose I don't understand your question. A Hilbert space is an inner product space in which all Cauchy sequences converge (which is really just a pedantic/rigorous way of saying that it is complete). In physics we often say that quantum states "live" in a hilbert space (although to be accurate it's actually a 'rigged' Hilbert space since plane waves and dirac delta functions are not in a Hilbert space). A valid quantum operator must be an eigenvector of a quantum state with a real eigenvalue. If none of this means anything to you then I'd say to get yourself a good linear algebra book. (If you have no idea what linear algebra is I'd say wherever you read about Hilbert spaces and eigenvalues is probably way too advanced and I'd suggest starting with a more introductory book)
 
do you think the strang linear algebra book is the right intoductory linear algebra book?

also, when should I begin my studies on thermal and statistical physics? BEFORE OR AFTER quantum mechanics and linear algebra??
 
how about the reif thermal and statistical physics book?
 
orthovector said:
do you think the strang linear algebra book is the right intoductory linear algebra book?

also, when should I begin my studies on thermal and statistical physics? BEFORE OR AFTER quantum mechanics and linear algebra??

It's never too soon to study linear algebra. I have a vague recollection that Galileo said that if he had his life to live over again, he would first have become a mathematician.

Strang's book is one of the standards. I have not read it, but I'm told that it emphasizes computation and the ability to solve problems numerically. Personally, I'm fond of the book by Bamberg and Sternberg, even though it's a little tough for self-study.
 

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