Where Am I Going Wrong in My Category Theory Solution?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in Category Theory, specifically related to the concepts presented in "Basic Homological Algebra" by Osborne. Participants analyze a proposed solution and offer insights into the definitions and mappings involved in the problem, exploring the properties of free abelian groups and coproducts.

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  • One participant suggests that the issues in the original solution stem from the definition of the sets ##S_i## and the treatment of ℤ, proposing a focus on showing that each element in ##S## corresponds to a copy of ℤ in ##A##.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of mapping properties in category theory, referencing the Yoneda lemma to argue for the equivalence of Hom functors related to free abelian groups and coproducts of integers.
  • A later reply questions the mapping from ##S## to "A" and its relevance to the problem at hand.
  • The original poster acknowledges the feedback and indicates a need to rework their solution based on the comments received.
  • Subsequent posts reflect on refining the solution and suggest that one participant's approach is more elegant and correct, although it involves concepts that may be challenging for others.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the best method or the correctness of the original solution. The discussion remains open to further exploration and refinement of ideas.

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Some participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion due to the abstract nature of category theory, particularly regarding the size of the set ##S## and the definitions involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals learning Category Theory, particularly those interested in the properties of free abelian groups and coproducts, as well as those seeking to understand the application of the Yoneda lemma in problem-solving.

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I'm trying to learn Category Theory; this isn't homework or anything. I've attached a problem from the text "Basic Homological Algebra" by Osborne and I show my attempt at a solution. My solution doesn't seem exactly correct and I state why in the attachment as well. Can someone take a look and let me know where I'm going wrong?

Thanks!
 

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nateHI said:
I'm trying to learn Category Theory; this isn't homework or anything. I've attached a problem from the text "Basic Homological Algebra" by Osborne and I show my attempt at a solution. My solution doesn't seem exactly correct and I state why in the attachment as well. Can someone take a look and let me know where I'm going wrong?

Thanks!
I think your problems start with the definition of the ##S_i## where you hide ℤ somehow. What you really want to show is that for each ##x ∈ S## there is a copy of ℤ in ##A##. To "redefine" ℤ via ##|S_i|## seems artificial to me. What should be the elements of ##S_i##? Consider the free groups generated by a single ##x∈S## instead. The only thing that makes it all a little abstract is that you don't know how big ##S## is. You could try to prove it for finite ##S## first.
 
To me category theory is the art of phrasing everything in terms of mapping properties and avoiding use of individual elements. So I would do this problem this way:

Lemma (Yoneda): An object in a category is determined by the Hom functor it defines, i.e. two objects A,B are isomorphic in any category if and only if the functors Hom(A, ), and Hom(B, ) are equivalent.

So if Frab(S) is the free abelian group on the set S, and if Copr(Z;S) is the coproduct of the family of copies of the integers Z indexed by the set S, we want to show the Hom functors Hom(F(S), ) and Hom(Copr(Z;S), ) are equivalent.

By definition of coproduct, we have Hom(Copr(Z;S), ) ≈ Prod(Hom(Z, );S) ≈
(*) Prod( ;S), where Prod is the product functor and Hom is homomorphisms in ab.

But by definition of the free abelian group, also Hom(F(S), ) ≈ Map(S, ) ≈ Prod( ;S), where Map denotes set functions, i.e. morphisms in the category of sets.

Since we have shown Hom(F(S), ) and Hom(Copr(Z;S), ) are equivalent, thus F(S) and Copr(Z;S), are isomorphic.

(*) Now in this step, i.e. the equivalence of Hom(Z, ) with the identity functor, we do need to use elements to prove e.g. for every abelian group G, that Hom(Z,G) ≈ G, because Z has been given to us as a concrete group, not in terms of its mapping properties.
 
to answer your question about your solution, isn't your map phi:S-->sigma(A) the map they speak of from S to "A".
 
Thanks mathwonk and fresh_42 for the great comments. I've read them and will rework this problem shortly. Seems like it needs a lot of work though so it might take a day or two.
 
So I cleaned my solution up a little based on the comments but I also worked through mathwonks solution which is much nicer. It used some mathematics that were a little beyond where I'm at currently but I managed to get a handle on those mechanics by "reading ahead."

Anyway, if anyone is reading this I propose you follow mathwonks solution and ignore my clunky attempt as his seems to be the more elegant (and correct) method.
 
thank you for your kind comments, it is so much more satisfying to answer a question when the OP reads the answer and responds as graciously as you did about the benefit he/she derived. this beautiful approach to the topic was explained to us by the great maurice auslander in his first year graduate algebra class at brandeis in 1965.
 

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