Where are the lengthons or the spacions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of fundamental particles related to time and distance, specifically questioning the existence of hypothetical particles termed "lengthons" or "spacions" that would correspond to distance in a manner similar to how certain theories propose particles of time. Participants explore the implications of such particles and their relevance to current theories in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of particles for distance, asking what distance fundamentally is and whether it requires a particle representation.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the concept of "fundamental particles of time" and seeks clarification on how such particles would interact with time.
  • There is a suggestion that the idea of particles corresponding to physical quantities is rooted in quantum theory, where phenomena are studied through quanta, such as photons for light.
  • Some participants propose that the term "lengthons" could be humorously interpreted as "centimeters," indicating a misunderstanding of the original question.
  • Another participant mentions tachyons, clarifying that they are defined as superluminal particles rather than particles of time, and expresses concern about potential misconceptions surrounding this concept.
  • A later reply connects the discussion to the introduction of hypothetical particles in theories like string theory, questioning whether this approach is valid for understanding gravitons and photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity or existence of particles corresponding to distance. Multiple competing views remain, with some questioning the premise while others explore the implications of such particles.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding terminology and concepts, particularly around tachyons and the nature of distance. The discussion reflects a mix of serious inquiry and humor, with some participants addressing potential misconceptions without resolving them.

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What I want to know about the theory that is supposed to predict fundamental particles of time is:
where's the one that predicts fundamental particles of distance? Why aren't people looking for the complementary distance particles? Surely without distance time would not work, so where are the lengthons or the spacions?
 
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Why would we need particles for distance? Does that make sense? What do you think distance is?
Whats this "fundamental particles of time" ?
 
Phred101.2 said:
What I want to know about the theory that is supposed to predict fundamental particles of time is:
where's the one that predicts fundamental particles of distance? Why aren't people looking for the complementary distance particles? Surely without distance time would not work, so where are the lengthons or the spacions?

If you can show me how a particle make an interaction with time, then I'll come up with the fundamental particle.

BTW, before you get into an awful mess, I'd suggest you read the PF Guidelines before proceeding any further.

Zz.
 
Based on the question, I think there is some confusion about tachyons [as there well should be :biggrin:]. IIRC, they are defined to be any time-reversed or superluminal particle, not particles of time.
 
Phred101.2 said:
predict fundamental particles of time is:
where's the one that predicts fundamental particles of distance? Why aren't people looking for the complementary distance particles? Surely without distance time would not work, so where are the lengthons or the spacions?
The idea of particles of things is called quanta, that's where "quantum theory" comes from. Particles of light are quanta, and are called photons. The idea of quanta was created to be able to study phenomena such as light in a different way.

I believe those lengthons you are looking for are called "centimeters."
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Based on the question, I think there is some confusion about tachyons [as there well should be :biggrin:]. IIRC, they are defined to be any time-reversed or superluminal particle, not particles of time.

I've always heard this:

tachyon: a hypothetical particle held to travel only faster than light

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tachyon
 
Phred101.2 said:
What I want to know about the theory that is supposed to predict fundamental particles of time is:
where's the one that predicts fundamental particles of distance? Why aren't people looking for the complementary distance particles? Surely without distance time would not work, so where are the lengthons or the spacions?

so, the answer to figuring out gravitons and photons is to introduce hypothetical particles? This is starting to sound like how string theory is based.
 
Mk said:
I believe those lengthons you are looking for are called "centimeters."
:smile: :smile: Priceless!

I believe Ivan's guess about the OP's misconception (that the tachyon is a "quantum of time") is right.
 
those lengthons you are looking for are called "centimeters."
I know they're called centimeters, but what's one made of" Can you fedex one to me so I can have a good look at it (I've got a pretty good microscope)?
 

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