Where can I learn how to manipulate operators?

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of operators in the context of wave equations and quantum mechanics. Participants express challenges in understanding how to apply chain rules to operators, particularly when transitioning between different variables and their derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in grasping operator manipulation in quantum mechanics, specifically in relation to wave equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the confusion may stem from misinterpreting the roles of partial derivatives with respect to different variables.
  • A participant provides a correction and emphasizes the application of the chain rule to functions of multiple variables, indicating how to derive relationships between derivatives.
  • Further elaboration on the chain rule is provided, detailing how to express derivatives in terms of other variables and how to manipulate them accordingly.
  • Another participant reiterates their struggle with applying the chain rule specifically to operators rather than variables.
  • A later reply presents a derived expression for the operator with respect to one of the variables, showing a specific relationship between the derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarity in applying the chain rule to operators, but there remains uncertainty and differing levels of understanding regarding the manipulation of these operators.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their understanding is limited by the definitions of the variables involved and the specific context of the wave equation being discussed.

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Nice to be back here at PF and to physics after a year off in the software industry. Now it's time to catch up again :)

I feel like I never really get the grasp of manipulating operators. In QM there's a lot of trixing and mixing going on, and I really would like to learn to do the magic. Oddly, none of my books deal with these techniques, they just assume that you know them.

I can give a simple example of a wave equation:

\frac{ \partial^2 \eta }{\partial x^2} - \frac{ \partial^2 \eta }{c \cdot \partial t^2} = ( \frac{ \partial}{\partial x} - \frac{ \partial}{c \cdot \partial x} )( \frac{ \partial}{\partial x} + \frac{ \partial}{c \cdot \partial x} ) \eta = 0 (*)

By letting u=x-ct and v=x+ct one can show that

\frac{ \partial}{\partial x} - \frac{ \partial}{c \cdot \partial t} = 2 \frac{ \partial}{ \partial u} (**)

\frac{ \partial}{\partial x} + \frac{ \partial}{c \cdot \partial t} = 2 \frac{ \partial}{ \partial v} (***)

by the difference of two squares.

( Which simplifies (*). )

But I don't get how the operator formulas (**) and (***) are obtained! It feels terrible to miss out on something this basic.

Any suggestions?
 
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Corrected. Thanks.

Still stuck though. Despite the article. I know how to use the chain rule when I have variables. But it's when I'm dealing purely with operators I struggle. I.e

\frac{ \partial}{\partial u}

How can you apply a chain rule on this guy?
 
Consider u and v as functions of x and t: u(x,t) and v(x,t).
Then apply the chain rule as is done in the example in the section I've linked.
 
So for f a function of u and v, which are themselves a function of x and t you have according to the chain rule:

\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}

Also:

\frac{\partial f}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}\frac{\partial v}{\partial t}=c\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}-c\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}

Now you can multiply the second equation by 1/c and subtract it from the first to get **, and add to get ***.

You put the trial function f in there to see what happens, and then remove it at the end.
 
Exactly!
 
Be a quantum mechanic.
 
k4ff3 said:
I know how to use the chain rule when I have variables. But it's when I'm dealing purely with operators I struggle. I.e

\frac{ \partial}{\partial u}

How can you apply a chain rule on this guy?
The definitions u=x-ct, v=x+ct imply x=(u+v)/2, t=(v-u)/2c, so

\frac{\partial}{\partial u}g(x(u,v),t(u,v))=\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}+\frac{\partial g}{\partial t}\frac{\partial t}{\partial u}=\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}\frac{1}{2}+\frac{\partial g}{\partial t}\left(-\frac{1}{2c}\right)

and therefore

\frac{\partial}{\partial u}=\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial x}-\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\right)
 

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