Which of the 2 metals is the magnet

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between a magnet and a magnetic metal, emphasizing that they will attract each other regardless of their orientations. Participants explore the idea of using a magnet to pick up a metal object, discussing the correct orientation needed for effective attraction. One contributor suggests the possibility of creating a makeshift compass, though they express uncertainty about its reliability. The conversation highlights the intuitive understanding of magnetism, with one participant realizing their prior knowledge through the dialogue. Overall, the thread underscores the fundamental principles of magnetism and the dynamics of magnetic attraction.
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I have 2 pieces of metal in front of me. One is a magnetic metal and the other one is a magnet. I need to know which of the two pieces is the metal and which is the magnet. They look identical and I can't use anything else apart from the 2 metals.
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Consider different orientations and relative positions in which you might bring them together. What would you expect to observe?
 
haruspex said:
Consider different orientations and relative positions in which you might bring them together. What would you expect to observe?
They would attract each other. I'm thinking of balancing them both and make some sort of a makeshift compass but think that's a sketchy solution.
 
Despot said:
They would attract each other.
In the same way, regardless of their relative positions and orientations?
 
haruspex said:
In the same way, regardless of their relative positions and orientations?
Yes I believe a magnet and a magnetic metal will always attract each other. Am I missing something here?
 
Despot said:
Yes I believe a magnet and a magnetic metal will always attract each other. Am I missing something here?
I think you are.
Suppose you wanted to pick up a metal object using a magnet. How would you orient the magnet towards the object?
 
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I've thought of rubbing them together to create a temporary magnet but I don't see how that would tell me which one's the permanent.
 
haruspex said:
I think you are.
Suppose you wanted to pick up a metal object using a magnet. How would you orient the magnet towards the object?
If it was for example a bar magnet I'd orient 1 end to the metal object I was trying to pick up.
 
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I think you are.
Suppose you wanted to pick up a metal object using a magnet. How would you orient the magnet towards the object?
And I just got it, thank you!
 
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And I just got it, thank you!
Quite a nice example of knowing the answer intuitively, but not realising you do.
 
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