Which Salt Produces Lowest pH Solution?

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The discussion centers on identifying which salt produces the lowest pH solution when dissolved in water. Participants explore the acidic nature of various salts, specifically NaCl, NH4Cl, MgCl2, and AlCl3, and consider the underlying chemical principles affecting pH. The conversation includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical relationships related to acid-base equilibria.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that NH4Cl or AlCl3 would produce the lowest pH due to their acidic properties, with a preference for AlCl3 based on the strength of the corresponding cation.
  • Another participant outlines a general rule regarding the pH produced by different types of salts based on the strength of the acids and bases from which they are derived.
  • Discussion includes the bases formed from NH4Cl (NH4(OH)) and AlCl3 (Al(OH)3), questioning how to rank their acidity based on these bases.
  • A participant introduces an equilibrium expression relating pH to Kb, suggesting a mathematical approach to determine pH based on the concentration of the ions involved.
  • There is a clarification regarding the relationship between Kb and the hydrolysis equilibrium, with a focus on deriving expressions for pH based on initial concentrations and dissociation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which salt produces the lowest pH, with some favoring AlCl3 and others supporting NH4Cl. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various theoretical frameworks and calculations without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on assumptions regarding the concentrations and dissociation of the salts, and the discussion involves complex relationships between Kb, Ka, and pH that are not fully resolved.

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Which one of the following salts, when dissolved in water, produces the solution with the lowest pH?


a.NaCl

b.NH4Cl

c.MgCl2

d.AlCl3

Ammonium chloride

My answer lies with b or d since they are both acidic salts, but I think is it d since the K_a is greater for Al(3+) than NH4+.


Thanks.
 
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The general rule of thumb is that the salt of a
  • Strong Acid - Strong Base is neutral
  • Weak Acid - Strong Base is basic
  • Strong Acid - Weak Base is acidic
  • Weak acid - Weak base depends on ka and kb
 
So the base for NH4Cl is NH4(OH).
The base for AlCl3 is Al(OH)3.

Both spawn from the strong acid HCl, so how do I rank them from here with this criteria?
 
Soaring Crane said:
So the base for NH4Cl is NH4(OH).
The base for AlCl3 is Al(OH)3.

Right

Both spawn from the strong acid HCl, so how do I rank them from here with this criteria?

In this case, look at the equilibrium which exists.

R+ + H2O <====> ROH + H+
where R+ can be NH4+ or Al3+.

The challenge here is to relate the pH to Kb. You can do this mathematically and get a relationship from which you can get the answer. If you assume the initial concentration of R+ to be 'a' and the extent of dissociation to be 'x', can you come up with a equation relating the pH and Kb?
(Hint: Try assuming that x is negligible when compared to 1 to simplify your calculations)
 
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pH = 14 + log (K_b*[A-]/[HA]), where K_b = [HA][OH-]/[A-]??

Is this an expression for that relationship?
 
Soaring Crane said:
pH = 14 + log (K_b*[A-]/[HA]), where K_b = [HA][OH-]/[A-]??

Is this an expression for that relationship?


Not quite.
First of all can you see that [tex]k_h = \frac{k_w}{k_b}[/tex]? This is because

H2O <=======> H+ + OH- ---- kw

ROH <=====> R+ + OH- ----- kb

Now if you subtract the two equations above you get,
R+ + H2O <====> ROH + H+
which is your hydrolysis equilibrium. So K for the above equilibrium will be [tex]k_h = \frac{k_w}{k_b}[/tex].

If the initial concentration of R+ is 'a' and the extent of dissociation is 'x', then at equilibrium, the concentration of ROH and H+ will be ax and the concentration of R+ will be a-ax. Is it clear till this?

Now, you know that

[tex]k_h = \frac{k_w}{k_b} = \frac{(ROH)(H^+)}{(R^+)}[/tex].

So substitute the concentrations in the above equation. Remember, you need the concentration of H+ (ie, 'ax'). Can you take it from here? If any of the above isn't clear, don't hesitate to ask.
 
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