White deer couple producing viable offspring through several generations?

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The discussion revolves around the viability of a population of white deer that originated from a single couple in the 1950s. Participants explore the implications of genetic diversity, inbreeding, and environmental factors affecting the population's sustainability over generations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that deer reach sexual maturity after 1.5-2.5 years, suggesting that the population could have multiplied significantly over 60 years.
  • Concerns are raised about maintaining genetic diversity from a single couple, with some arguing that low diversity could lead to problems if deleterious alleles are present.
  • Others propose that inbreeding might not be as detrimental due to the protected environment, although the risk of inheriting fatal autosomal recessive diseases is acknowledged.
  • Some participants express surprise at the viability of a population stemming from a single couple, comparing it to other instances of population growth from small founding groups.
  • There is a cautionary note that current survival does not guarantee future viability, as a lack of genetic diversity could lead to vulnerabilities to diseases.
  • One participant questions the assumption that only one couple is responsible for the population, suggesting that other animals may also contribute to genetic diversity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty regarding the implications of low genetic diversity and the long-term viability of the population. Multiple competing views remain about the effects of inbreeding and the potential presence of other contributing deer.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the genetic contributions of the population and the environmental stability required for their survival. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the genetic health of the population.

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According to this video, a white deer couple from the 1950s rapidly multiplied and produced the world's largest population of white deer. How is that possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_TvkB1-XeE
 
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Well IIRC deer reach sexual maturity after 1.5-2.5 years, so in the 60 years since they've been there that's plenty of time to multiply. Especially considering they are pretty protected where they are.
 
ryan_m_b said:
Well IIRC deer reach sexual maturity after 1.5-2.5 years, so in the 60 years since they've been there that's plenty of time to multiply. Especially considering they are pretty protected where they are.

But it's a single couple. How could they maintain genetic diversity, keep their gene pool safe?
 
Newai said:
But it's a single couple. How could they maintain genetic diversity, keep their gene pool safe?

Their very low diversity will only be a problem if their gene pool contains deleterious alleles. Considering deleterious alleles are mostly contextual on the environment it will make their population very sensitive to change.
 
Newai said:
But it's a single couple. How could they maintain genetic diversity, keep their gene pool safe?

Inbreeding would definitely create issues. However since they are a conserved species, the absence of enough genetic diversity would not be such a big problem, as they are likely to be protected in unchanging environment. Far more dangerous would be the increased likelihood of inheriting fatal autosomal recessive diseases. However since this also has a 50% chance of affecting the newer generation, things probably turned out to be good for the couple. After many generations, even inbreeding wouldn't pose a huge problem.
 
I'm really surprised by all of that. I never thought this could be possible.

Thank you, guys.
 
Newai said:
I'm really surprised by all of that. I never thought this could be possible.

Thank you, guys.

I am surprised how a single couple could lead to a viable fertile population as well. I have heard of island colonizations from a few hundred turning into a few million. But this is strange.
 
mishrashubham said:
I am surprised how a single couple could lead to a viable fertile population as well. I have heard of island colonizations from a few hundred turning into a few million. But this is strange.

It doesn't entirely surprise me if only because rare events happen all the time in nature. The dangerous aspect now is what happens if their environment changes, their diversity may be too low to cope.
 
ryan_m_b said:
The dangerous aspect now is what happens if their environment changes, their diversity may be too low to cope.

They are under human protection I suppose.
 
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Be aware that just because they are surviving now in no way means that they will survive in the future. Fifty years is an incredibly short timescale for a population of a species. Just because they are able to reproduce successfully doesn't mean they are "viable". It is possible that the lack of diversity could result in a number of weaknesses that haven't shown themselves yet, such as a succeptibility to a disease that a larger more diverse population would be mostly resistant to. Inbreeding doesn't mean that it is impossible to produce a future population. If the species is able to survive long enough then many of the negative genes could be weeded out as the individuals that receive them die off while the ones that don't live on. It really just depends on the indivuduals that first breed and the traits they pass on.
 
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Drakkith said:
Fifty years is an incredibly short timescale for a population of a species. Just because they are able to reproduce successfully doesn't mean they are "viable".

Viable offspring in this context implies healthy newborns who go on to become mature and fertile adults.
 
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mishrashubham said:
Viable offspring in this context implies healthy newborns who go on to become mature and fertile adults.

Alright.
 
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Who said it was a one couple only? Perhaps I missed something, but what they said in the video is that there was one white couple. It doesn't mean there were no other animals. Besides, at around 10 sec there is an obviously dark calf (is it a proper name for a young deer?) visible. It can be heterozygous, increasing the chance that its offspring will be white as well. So the way I understand the story the population in the depot has an unusually large percentage of white animals, but it is not all necessarily progeny of the same couple.
 

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