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Welcome to PF!

Archimedes

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thank you :)Welcome to PF!

Archimedes

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Next why do I think that? or do you agree?

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well I am interested in why you put Archimedes as number 1... does he rank higher than say other greek,egyptian, arabic, non-greek mathematicians, is he the greatest ancient mathematician...and greatest of all time as well?Next why do I think that? or do you agree?

i don't know a lot about Archimedes, i would like to know more about him...how much of a genius was he?

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You can read more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

They also think that the Antekythera device, a very early gear-driven analog computer was based on an Archimedes design:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

He has had a deep and long-lasting impact on humanity.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhava_series

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Euler, Gauss, Hilbert

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how does Aryabhatta stack up against Archimedes...

You can read more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

They also think that the Antekythera device, a very early gear-driven analog computer was based on an Archimedes design:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

He has had a deep and long-lasting impact on humanity.

would you say Archimedes is still greater than Aryabhatta

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Newton (for Calculus, not to mention classical mechanics and optics)

Fourier (for his Fourier series and transform)

Galois (for group theory and abstract algebra)

In this case I interpreted "greatest" as "who came up with the most influential idea in my opinion", not necessarily most prolific or most brilliant (although they were probably all brilliant).

Fourier (for his Fourier series and transform)

Galois (for group theory and abstract algebra)

In this case I interpreted "greatest" as "who came up with the most influential idea in my opinion", not necessarily most prolific or most brilliant (although they were probably all brilliant).

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1. Evariste Galois (at 20, in a duel)

2. Niels Abel (at 26, tubercolosis)

3. Bernard Riemann (at 40, tubercolosis)

The first two would surely have contributed significantly more if they had been allowed to live to an older age. Riemann got 14 extra years compared to Abel but 40 was still too young. Conclusion: We do not like tuberculosis or duelling frenchmen.

Also I cannot resist including this one:

- He was not Abel.

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now is it true that most mathematicians consider Archimedes, Gauss, Newton as the usual top 3?

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I also independently invented calculus, but was 300 years late.

And being only 7 years old, no one could comprehend my notation.

They all looked like LEGO® building blocks.

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Descartes (and independently Fermat) for giving us Cartesian coordinates (making geometry possible through algebra)

Cauchy, for introducing rigor to calculus.

Cauchy could possibly be replaced, but I picked mine based not upon their skills as mathematicians, but how much they contributed to the mathematical world. So much in math relies on calculus, and our rectangular coordinate system has shown to be quite valuable.

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Euler (most prolific by far), Gauss and Hilbert

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According to historian Clifford Truesdell,

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Also, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Laplace. In my opinion, he was not only a great mathematician, but above all a great discoverer. In every branch of astronomy, deep traces of his work are visible.

Finally, I believe Gauss deserves a spot, but many others do as well.

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While questions like this are a bit silly and do not have definitive answers it is worth pointing out that mathematics as we know it today is so far beyond anything known before the 19'th century that comparing the two eras is a little like comparing apples and oranges.

Starting most likely with Gauss and then Riemann, mathematical thinking was transformed in a way that amounts to a Renaissance. Mathematical thinking suddenly became modern. Mathematicians generally consider Gauss and Riemann to be the founders of modern mathematical thought and therefore in some sense the "greatest" ,whatever that means.

After the discoveries of General Relativity theory and Quantum Mechanics, mathematics again took off and in the second half of the 20'th century went through what one might call a second Renaissance. Just as there is no comparison of the mathematics before and after the last half of the 18'th century, there is no comparison of the mathematics before and after say 1940. Many of the people who took part in this second Renaissance are still alive.

If you are really interested in where great ideas come from, you should be interested in cultural trends as well as specific individuals. Gauss and Riemann for instance lived in the classical period, a time of cultural fervor that includes Mozart and Beethoven, Benjamin Franklin, and Goethe. Why was this? What was the reason that so much creativity happened during this time? Would Gauss have been as great a mathematician if he had lived in 10'th century Iceland?

Starting most likely with Gauss and then Riemann, mathematical thinking was transformed in a way that amounts to a Renaissance. Mathematical thinking suddenly became modern. Mathematicians generally consider Gauss and Riemann to be the founders of modern mathematical thought and therefore in some sense the "greatest" ,whatever that means.

After the discoveries of General Relativity theory and Quantum Mechanics, mathematics again took off and in the second half of the 20'th century went through what one might call a second Renaissance. Just as there is no comparison of the mathematics before and after the last half of the 18'th century, there is no comparison of the mathematics before and after say 1940. Many of the people who took part in this second Renaissance are still alive.

If you are really interested in where great ideas come from, you should be interested in cultural trends as well as specific individuals. Gauss and Riemann for instance lived in the classical period, a time of cultural fervor that includes Mozart and Beethoven, Benjamin Franklin, and Goethe. Why was this? What was the reason that so much creativity happened during this time? Would Gauss have been as great a mathematician if he had lived in 10'th century Iceland?

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This isn't to say they weren't great geniuses, in particular you could say euler was ahead of his time, but most of these were great only because of the time period they were born in.

In my opinion, the truly remarkable discoveries are ahead of their time.

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But none of these are my favorite. My favorite mathematician is Stanislaw Ulam.

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This isn't to say they weren't great geniuses, in particular you could say euler was ahead of his time, but most of these were great only because of the time period they were born in.

In my opinion, the truly remarkable discoveries are ahead of their time.

I think you make interesting points.

A biologist I knew once said that it is better to be Leonardo Da Vinci than to be Isaac Newton because if Newton hadn't discovered gravitation someone else would have but only Leonardo could have painted the Mona Lisa. She also thought that Leonardo's scientific investigations were a waste of his talents - for the same reason. To her he should have spent his time painting pictures.

I personally think that her point of view is largely correct but I also think that she underestimated creativity in science. Einstien's theory of gravitation ,I have been told ,would not have necessarily followed in the natural course of physics research and that his ideas were unique and unexpected.

Similarly one might say that function theory could have trundled along without the theory of Riemann surfaces, and that Differential Geometry could have remained essentially a study of curves and surfaces in 3 space and done perfectly well without Gauss's idea of intrinsic geometry.

So individual creative insight does seem to make a difference in science and math and there seem to be theories that might not ever have been thought of without certain people such as Einstein and Gauss. I guess you could say that these people were ahead of their time big time.

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