Who's actions you approve from the most to least?

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The discussion revolves around the moral implications of the actions taken by characters in a short story involving a woman named Rosemary who must cross a dangerous river to reach her fiancé, Hernando. Participants are asked to rank the characters based on their approval of their actions, leading to various interpretations and analyses of each character's choices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express their rankings of the characters based on their perceived moral actions, with varying interpretations of what "approval" means.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "approved" and references a similar story with a different outcome, suggesting a broader context for analysis.
  • Another participant argues that LeePai acted appropriately by not wasting Rosemary's time, while Sven's actions are seen as exploitative.
  • Seiichi's decision to marry Rosemary is viewed as ambiguous, with motives that are unclear and open to interpretation.
  • Rosemary is criticized for her choice to spend the night with Sven, which some view as a poor decision.
  • Hernando is described negatively for his lack of support and judgment towards Rosemary after learning of her actions.
  • One participant expresses a desire to switch the rankings of Sven and Seiichi, suggesting a nuanced view of their actions.
  • Another participant expresses indifference towards the characters, stating they have no strong feelings of approval or disapproval.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the rankings or the moral implications of the characters' actions. Multiple competing views remain, with some participants agreeing on certain points while others offer differing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants' analyses depend on subjective interpretations of the characters' motivations and actions, which are not universally agreed upon. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on morality and decision-making in the context of the story.

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Readers interested in literary analysis, moral philosophy, or character studies may find the discussion engaging and thought-provoking.

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So my prof from Intro to Communications class were given a short story to read and were told to write down the names of who's actions you approved most to least. So I read it and put who I approved of the most to the least. So we shared it with the class and we were just debating about it. I was just curious of what you guys think. So write your list from most approved to the least approved.

ROSEMARY is a young woman about 21 years old. For a long time she has been engaged to a young man named HERNANDO and she is coming from a great distance to meet him for their scheduled wedding. The problem she faces is that between her and her betrothed there lies a river. No ordinary river, mind you, but a deep, wide river infested with hungry crocodiles.
ROSEMARY ponders how she can cross the river. She thinks of a man who has a boat, whose name is SVEN. She approaches SVEN and asks him to take her across the river. SVEN replies, "Yes, I'll take you across the river if you'll spend the night with me."
Shocked at this offer she turns to another acquaintance, LEE PAI, and tells him her story. LEE PAI responds by saying, "Poor Rosemary, I understand your problem, but I don't see how I can help. It's really your problem, not mine."
ROSEMARY, in desperation, decides to return SVEN, and spends the night with him. In the morning SVEN takes her across the river. She completes her journey and arrives in time.
Her reunion with HERNANDO is warm, but on the evening before they are to be married ROSEMARY feels compelled to tell HERNANDO how she succeeded in getting across the river. HERNANDO responds by saying, "I can't believe you would do such a thing. I wouldn't marry you even if you were the last woman on earth." And he banishes her as a soiled woman.
Finally, at her wit's end, ROSEMARY, turns to our last character, SEIICHI. He listens to her story and says, "What a terrible thing to happen. Rosemary, I don't love you, but I will marry you." And that's all we know of the story.

1. Seichi
2. LeePai
3. Rosemary
4. Hernando
5. Sven
 
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What exactly do you mean "approved" of the most? I've heard of a similar story about a girl crossing a river to meet with another man and then died in the forest from a thief and was asked to rank who was most responsible for her death.
 
LeePai
Sven
Seiichi
Rosemary
Hernando
 
Each of the characters did something. It's up to you to decide which character did the right thing from wrong.
 
Zryn, what's the reasoning behind your selection?
 
LeePai realized that he could not help Rosemary and opted to not waste her time any further. He listened and did the best for her that he could.

Sven engaged in basic capitalism, providing his services for hers. Both their interests were served, but she paid the higher price.

Seiichi opted to engage in a loveless marriage without quantifying what he would get out of it. His interest is hidden beyond analysis and therefore we don't know what his motives are (sex, someone to love and cherish, his next meal, arm candy, a corpse to study for scientific gain, a pity-vote project etc.)

Rosemary chose poorly. When presented with options she chose the easy / bad route, giving insight into her minimal thought process.

Hernando did nothing to help his young bride to be who had to travel from afar and cross a crocodile infested river unaided.
 
Zryn said:
LeePai realized that he could not help Rosemary and opted to not waste her time any further. He listened and did the best for her that he could.

Sven engaged in basic capitalism, providing his services for hers. Both their interests were served, but she paid the higher price.

Seiichi opted to engage in a loveless marriage without quantifying what he would get out of it. His interest is hidden beyond analysis and therefore we don't know what his motives are (sex, someone to love and cherish, his next meal, arm candy, a corpse to study for scientific gain, a pity-vote project etc.)

Rosemary chose poorly. When presented with options she chose the easy / bad route, giving insight into her minimal thought process.

Hernando did nothing to help his young bride to be who had to travel from afar and cross a crocodile infested river unaided.

I think this is a very sharp analysis and I agree completely, although I'd switch Sven and Seiichi, giving Seiichi the advantage of the doubt, but that's more a bit of hair splitting I think.

And I'd like to add that Hernando is quite the ahole, not even talking to Rosemary, but simply judging her and letting her drop dead.
 
Thats interesting what you pointed out about Sven. Still, I do not think that should be the way he could have provided service. He should have done it another way.
 
I would have hated that class. I have no strong feelings of approval or disapproval for any of the characters.
 

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