Why Are Adult Sites Still Legal in the USA?

[Moonbear]

I have to say that with all the years I've been on the internet, and with all the email accounts I've had, I've never actually had porn just magically appear. I've gotten advertisements via email to visit porn sites, but they didn't actually contain any pictures. I've never had my browser automatically redirect to a porn site unless I was already viewing something adult-oriented. You actually have to look for it. So, if you want to keep your kids from viewing porn, just don't let them surf the internet unsupervised. It's just like watching the TV. If you know there is programming on that you don't want your children to see, you don't leave them flipping channels while you sit in another room. I even know someone who went to the extreme of removing the televisions from their home, and they didn't object to porn, just to exposing their children to adult topics on TV before they judged they were old enough to understand them in the proper context. The same can be done with the internet. It's a convenience, not a necessity.

 

[Dibbs Riley]

pr0n is the main reason why most people use the net--

 

[aychamo]

Man.. The best porn I've encountered, is my PlayboyHDTV. It's high-definition playboy TV that comes in on my Voom satellite. Freaking *bad-ass*!

They have this call in show, and people call in and tell the people what to do and they'll do it. Bad ass :)

 

[LordLoki]

Yes No one (man), but GOD can!
Anyway, most parents don't want their children to see porn . Something more effective must be done to block porn.

And what God is that? I get the feeling that your God and my God might be completely different entities. There are more religions than I can count so odds are we don't hold the same beliefs.

As far as a more effective way of keeping porn away from kids...
How about better parenting. You would be surprised how good a kid can turn out if the parents put a little time into raising them.

 

[MillerTime111]

Yes No one (man), but GOD can!
Anyway, most parents don't want their children to see porn . Something more effective must be done to block porn.

First off just because you think god wouldn't want us to look at porn that does not make porn wrong. Porn like everything has it's use in life and if you choose to look at it fine. Don't try and push moral beliefs on people.

Think about the children what about the children. Well you're thinking about the children they are running around getting in trouble. Stop worrying about them and just watch them and prevent them from doing things they shouldn't be doing whether it's looking at porn or running in traffic. It doesn't matter what most parents want. If most parents wanted to pour gas on their kids and watch them burn would it make it right? No. Don't tell responsible adults that they can't look at porn because you refuse to watch your kids.

 

[russ_watters]

Why not you say Smoking is Freedom, it only harms the smokers themselves...

Please use your Freedom to defend for the tobacco companies, can you?

Wait, who'se freedom are you talking about here?? The smokers or the tobacco companies? Smoking is a freedom - making a product that kills people is not.

 

[MillerTime111]

I think that you are jumping to conclusions, and that is why you are using words like *** while you mistake what you think that I am saying.

I agree with you completely. In my house, I have never exposed my child to television.

However, we have friends, and we visit them. Some of them MUST have television on , such that it is not always possible to avoid it. I cannot demand that everyone we visit have all of their family members turn off the television, as that is not always practical in today's society. It can be very difficult to make sure that my kid is never exposed to television 24 hours a day, particularly when I am not there to supervise.

So stop your kids from going to those houses. Why should people like me be punished because you don't want your kids to see something on TV? Is it my fault no and I shouldn't be punished for it. I have no problem with most of the stuff on TV and if I have a problem with something on I turn it off. If I have a problem with something people I'm with are watching I leave.

 

[Prometheus]

Why should people like me be punished because you don't want your kids to see something on TV?

The only punishment that you are getting is having to hold this conversation with me. If you do not like this punishment, then bow out. I don't understand why people like you complain about a conversation that you could just stay our of if you consider it punishment.

 

[LordLoki]

I think that you are jumping to conclusions, and that is why you are using words like *** while you mistake what you think that I am saying.

I agree with you completely. In my house, I have never exposed my child to television.

However, we have friends, and we visit them. Some of them MUST have television on , such that it is not always possible to avoid it. I cannot demand that everyone we visit have all of their family members turn off the television, as that is not always practical in today's society. It can be very difficult to make sure that my kid is never exposed to television 24 hours a day, particularly when I am not there to supervise.

Not allowing your child to watch any television might not be a good idea. It is a good way to shelter your child from the experiences that most "normal" children will have and when it comes time to make friends your child might be the odd one out. If you have taught your children what is right and wrong you shouldn't have to worry about what they see on television. But if you shelter them from everything they will grow up different from all of the other kids and probably hate you for it.

 

[MillerTime111]

The only punishment that you are getting is having to hold this conversation with me. If you do not like this punishment, then bow out. I don't understand why people like you complain about a conversation that you could just stay our of if you consider it punishment.

No the way people like me get punished by people like you are when enough people like you get outraged about violence or sexual themes on TV and write into complain. People like you try to get TV violent TV shows canceled. But why? You do it to shelter your kids. I don't get how people can complain about TV. If you don't like something don't watch it. If your kids going places that the people are watching inappropriate shows then it's your fault for letting your kid go. Why do people always push the blame some place else?

 

[Prometheus]

No the way people like me get punished by people like you are when enough people like you get outraged about violence or sexual themes on TV and write into complain. People like you try to get TV violent TV shows canceled. But why? You do it to shelter your kids. I don't get how people can complain about TV. If you don't like something don't watch it. If your kids going places that the people are watching inappropriate shows then it's your fault for letting your kid go. Why do people always push the blame some place else?

You seem awfully touchy. I don't understand how you consider my attitude toward television as punishing you. You are making generalizations and lumping me in with them, as though you somehow know something that you could not know.

 

[zoobyshoe]

The primary trouble with porn on the web is that there are actually photos and movies of adults having sex with kids. These aren't so very rare. Who might accidently see these is hardly the problem compared to who is being pressured, persuaded or forced to participate in them, meaning the kids in them. I would just as soon all porn be legally banned if it would help stop this child abuse.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Yes No one (man), but GOD can!

The constitutional separation between church and state prevent such interpretations from demanding legal actions. The basis of this in the present context is that theocracies are more dangerous than porn.

Anyway, most parents don't want their children to see porn . Something more effective must be done to block porn.

I doubt it is possible to completely prevent access, but the same is true for alcohol and other drugs, premarital sex, and gasoline used for sniffing for that matter. There is no way to make the world sterile for anyone.

 

[Gokul43201]

The primary trouble with porn on the web is that there are actually photos and movies of adults having sex with kids. These aren't so very rare. Who might accidently see these is hardly the problem compared to who is being pressured, persuaded or forced to participate in them, meaning the kids in them. I would just as soon all porn be legally banned if it would help stop this child abuse.

I don't believe stopping porn will stop child abuse. The majority of child abusers don't tape it and put it on the net. Or else, we'd have heard of Clergy Gone Wild

 

[zoobyshoe]

I don't believe stopping porn will stop child abuse.

I'm specifically referring to the child abuse of persuading, pressuring, or forcing them to participate in porn pictures and films. What kind of an adult is a kid going to grow up to be after an experience, or many experiences like that? If legally banning all porn helped to cut down on the amount of this stuff that is made, then I can live without the kinds of porn that are legal.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Child porn is already illegal. Why do you feel that banning all porn would stop child porn? If anything it would probably make the problem worse by diluting resources dedicated to child porn only right now.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Child porn is already illegal. Why do you feel that banning all porn would stop child porn?

I'm talking about banning porn on the web. The more demand there is for porn the more of it that is made. If yanking all porn from the web meant less child porn would be made, then I could live without the legal porn.

You may speechify in defense of your freedom to look at porn but don't forget your freedom to look at porn provides a nice, anonymous, legally protected privacy, for the people who rape children, film it, and put it on the web. I realize they're putting it on the web illegally, but no one seems to be stopping them. If[/color] banning web porn helped cut down on the number of kids made to participate in this stuff, then[/color] I could live without the legal porn on the web. Since it is illegal I don't understand why any site with child pornography isn't already automatically shut down.

The 800 pound gorilla sitting on top of the porn issue isn't the morality of sex, it's the issue of the people, particularly in foreign countries, who are forced to participate. When these are children, I can't believe anyone wouldn't have something more productive to remark than the shrug: "Well, banning porn isn't going to stop child abuse anyway, so whatdaya want?"

 

[humanino]

Saint has a problem with sex. I'm talking serioulsy.

EDIT :
I did not even realize she used Saint as a pseudo. Damn my mind is slow.

 

[jimmy p]

Saint has a problem with sex. I'm talking serioulsy.

EDIT :
I did not even realize she used Saint as a pseudo. Damn my mind is slow.

Saint is male...

No matter how "immoral" or "wrong" it is, it has been around for centuries (like the plague! ) and is actually a growing industry because it is becoming more... well I wouldn't say accepted, but out of the closet I suppose...

 

[humanino]

Sorry Saint. I thought, your picture...

I'd have to say that

Freedom is Freedom To Do Good, not Freedom to do Wrong, understand?

is really terrible a thing to say. Saint, you are dangerous man. I thought USA is the country of liberty. I am sorry, but I consider web porn a very minor issue. As Ivan Seeking said

the same is true for alcohol and other drugs, premarital sex, and gasoline used for sniffing for that matter. There is no way to make the world sterile for anyone.

I feel way worse a problem for parents, the issues raised here.

 

[Artman]

The question of this thread was, "Why can't we ban porn?"

The USA discovered, when they tried to ban alchohol, that banning it does not make it go away, it just makes it more possible for illegal sources to make money from it and make it harder to regulate. Bootleggers and speakeasies still sold alcohol, they could just charge more for it because it wasn't legal. Criminals love it when a popular item is banned.

As for children being exposed to it, there are several recommended methods to limiting this possibility:

Place the computer in a high traffic area of the home, dining room, kitchen, family room, etc. not in the child's room.

Teach them what is right. Explain (at their level) why porn can be wrong (can exploit the participants, can involve underage participants, can over time make a person jaded to sex, plays on a weakness (addiction) in some people, etc)

Look at the computer with them. (This can't be done all of the time, but give them examples of where to surf.)

Check their history file and see where they do surf. (Most kids will know ways to get rid of the evidence, but maybe they will forget once or twice and you can catch them. Also, kids don't have rights as far as computer privacy. An adult needs to be responsible for their actions until they are old enough to know better.)

Now, as for TV. If parents paid attention to what their kids were watching on TV then sex could be shown on TV, just don't let the kids watch that show. Then porn sites would die off naturally, just like adult book stores died off when porn became prevailent on the internet.

 

[LENIN]

You can't band porn on the internet becouse it's put on on it in countrys that recpect freedom of speach and press. And alldo these fredoms are sometimes very harmful to the pepole they are adobtet by most of the modern countrys.

 

[BobG]

The question of this thread was, "Why can't we ban porn?"

The USA discovered, when they tried to ban alchohol, that banning it does not make it go away, it just makes it more possible for illegal sources to make money from it and make it harder to regulate. Bootleggers and speakeasies still sold alcohol, they could just charge more for it because it wasn't legal. Criminals love it when a popular item is banned.

As for children being exposed to it, there are several recommended methods to limiting this possibility:

Place the computer in a high traffic area of the home, dining room, kitchen, family room, etc. not in the child's room.

Teach them what is right. Explain (at their level) why porn can be wrong (can exploit the participants, can involve underage participants, can over time make a person jaded to sex, plays on a weakness (addiction) in some people, etc)

Look at the computer with them. (This can't be done all of the time, but give them examples of where to surf.)

Check their history file and see where they do surf. (Most kids will know ways to get rid of the evidence, but maybe they will forget once or twice and you can catch them. Also, kids don't have rights as far as computer privacy. An adult needs to be responsible for their actions until they are old enough to know better.)

Now, as for TV. If parents paid attention to what their kids were watching on TV then sex could be shown on TV, just don't let the kids watch that show. Then porn sites would die off naturally, just like adult book stores died off when porn became prevailent on the internet.

All good suggestions. You can block the majority of this by your own internet settings. And, yes, I have had to change the password before and yes, teenage boys are smart enough to delete the history file - but mine haven't learned about the temporary internet files, yet. So there are a couple ways to monitor what they're surfing (and if you've ever browsed through the temporary internet files, you'll realize that, short of the overly obvious method of deleting all of them, deleting the the individual 'tip-off' files is enough of a pain to be a deterrent to habitual porn surfing). If nothing else, a periodic browse through the temporary internet files at least tips you off as to which sites you need to add to your blocked internet sites, a little more preferable method than constant monitoring.

 

[humanino]

Not only do I agree with LENIN (not the one that's dead ) but I think you guys should be careful. You could slip into nazis in this direction (just a bit provocative). You cannot erase everything that bothers you.

Example : would you erase prostitution as well ?

Maybe I misundestood : as long as you are trying to protect your children : OK, that is totally legitimate and I will do it as well. Prevent access from a computer is something (difficult). But ban it from the internet !? Not only is there no way to do so, but I fear it is a dangerous way of thinking.

 

[Dibbs Riley]

You can't band porn on the internet becouse it's put on on it in countrys that recpect freedom of speach and press. And alldo these fredoms are sometimes very harmful to the pepole they are adobtet by most of the modern countrys.

Yeah! What this guy said.

 

[BoulderHead]

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[zoobyshoe]

Maybe I misundestood : as long as you are trying to protect your children : OK, that is totally legitimate and I will do it as well.

That's my only interest. Getting kids involved in cr@p like porn pretty much destroys them psycologically for the rest of their lives, and especially if there's force involved. The main point I was trying to make is that if there is some kind of conflict between an adult's right to access porn, and a human child's right not to be subjected to this then the child's right supercedes the other. This is not a slippery slope situation.

Since child pornography is already illegal I don't understand why the FBI or whoever is in charge of this can't just automatically shut down any sites that have any child porn on them. I'm not talking about iffy situations where someone might scratch their head and wonder if a girl in a picture is 16 or 18, I'm talking about pictures I've seen where the kid is clearly 10 years old being mounted by a 6 ft tall adult man.

Is it not technically possible to locate the source of these sites and disable them?

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

The question of this thread was, "Why can't we ban porn?"

The USA discovered, when they tried to ban alchohol, that banning it does not make it go away, it just makes it more possible for illegal sources to make money from it and make it harder to regulate. Bootleggers and speakeasies still sold alcohol, they could just charge more for it because it wasn't legal. Criminals love it when a popular item is banned.

I don't think we shouldn't try to ban things though. What will the world do when child pornography becomes more prevalent? Are we going to regulate that through the government as well?

If we want to get rid of pornography sites we should develop a section of the government and give them the ability to automatically delete inappropriate websites in their country. A universal FTP access program would suit the situation well.

 

[MillerTime111]

Why don't we shut down sites that have people quoting the bible to argue that porn sites should be shut down? You know why we can't? Because it's the right of the people to have it. You can't censor something just because you don't like it.

 

[Artman]

I don't think we shouldn't try to ban things though. What will the world do when child pornography becomes more prevalent? Are we going to regulate that through the government as well?

If we want to get rid of pornography sites we should develop a section of the government and give them the ability to automatically delete inappropriate websites in their country. A universal FTP access program would suit the situation well.

Does everyone want those sites (legitimate adult material) blocked? No. Or else they would not be as popular (albeit underground ) as they are. As in prohibition, if there is a market, someone will figure out a source.

As for child pornography, this is already illegal (banned and unlawful to view and distribute). It still occurs. As I said, if there is a market, unfortunately there is some creep out there to exploit it.