Why Aren't Atoms Made of Positrons and Antiprotons?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why atoms are not composed of positrons and antiprotons, particularly in the context of antimatter and its stability. Participants explore concepts related to CP violation, baryon-antibaryon asymmetry, and the implications for the formation of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while antihydrogen has been contained and is stable in isolation, it cannot survive in contact with matter due to mutual annihilation.
  • CP violation is mentioned as a critical factor in understanding the baryon-antibaryon asymmetry, but it is acknowledged that CP violation alone does not explain the observed asymmetry.
  • There is a suggestion that additional, model-dependent factors are necessary to account for the baryon asymmetry in the early universe.
  • One participant questions whether beings composed of antimatter would recognize their nature differently until CP violation became apparent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the role of CP violation and the conditions necessary for baryon asymmetry, indicating that multiple competing theories exist and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the exact mechanisms behind baryon asymmetry and the dependence on specific models, which remain subjects of ongoing debate.

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I've recently learned more about antimatter, namely what types there are, and one question has stuck in my mind: why are atoms not composed of Positrons and Antiprotons? Since scientists at the LHC recently were able to contain antihydrogen, it seems that these atoms, while isolated from matter, are stable.
 
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zalnas said:
I've recently learned more about antimatter, namely what types there are, and one question has stuck in my mind: why are atoms not composed of Positrons and Antiprotons? Since scientists at the LHC recently were able to contain antihydrogen, it seems that these atoms, while isolated from matter, are stable.

Anti-matter in isolation is stable, as the LHC experiment demonstrated. However, when coming into contact with matter, there is mutual annihilation. As far as it is known, the universe is composed of baryonic matter (ordinary matter), dark matter, and dark energy. Anti-matter couldn't survive.
 


Kevin_Axion said:
Because of something called CP-Violation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation.

Perfect, thank you! That is exactly the explanation I was looking for.

Anti-matter in isolation is stable, as the LHC experiment demonstrated. However, when coming into contact with matter, there is mutual annihilation. As far as it is known, the universe is composed of baryonic matter (ordinary matter), dark matter, and dark energy. Anti-matter couldn't survive.

I was specifically wondering why antimatter didn't take precedence in the formation of the universe; I understand that it would not survive in the current state of the universe.
 


Kevin_Axion said:
Because of something called CP-Violation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation.

In all known models (based on QFT) CP violation is necessary to produce baryon-antibaryon asymmetry. But it is far from sufficient, and definitely not automatic. The presence of CP violation does not automatically generate this asymmetry. Something far more subtle is needed in addition to CP violation. What that might be is model dependent, and it is a subject matter of much heated discussion. Needless to say, we do not know how exactly the baryon asymmetry arose in the early universe. There are plausible models, but that's all.
 


If we were comprised of 'anti matter', and so considered it 'normal', would we know otherwise until the CP-violation surfaced ??
 

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