Why Are Black Holes Considered Singularities Despite Neutrino Emission?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of black holes (BHs) and their classification as singularities, particularly in relation to neutrino emission and the characteristics that define a black hole. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and implications of black holes within the framework of general relativity.

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  • Some participants question why black holes are considered singularities, suggesting that they might be super massive objects instead.
  • One participant asserts that black holes and singularities are not synonymous, referencing general relativity's implications.
  • There is a discussion about whether black holes emit neutrinos, with some suggesting that the strong gravitational force prevents any particles, including neutrinos, from escaping.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Hawking radiation, explaining that particles can escape black holes under certain conditions, which involves quantum processes.
  • One participant clarifies that the classification of an object as a black hole is not solely dependent on its mass, but also on its surface area relative to mass, charge, and angular momentum.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of black holes and singularities, with no consensus reached on the definitions or implications of neutrino emission related to black holes.

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Participants reference theoretical frameworks and concepts that may depend on specific interpretations of general relativity and quantum mechanics, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Let me preface by apologizing if this isn't posted in the correct forum... If it isn't, please point me to the correct forum and I'll gladly re-post.

Why is an anomaly like a BH considered a singularity?

Why is a BH not considered to be a super massive object existing in our space-time fabric? So massive and most likely spinning, but not necessarily spinning, to cause light not to reflect back to the viewer. Hence a black hole. Or more appropriately an onyx object.

Here's my question... why are BHs not emitting huge amounts of neutrinos? or are they?

If they are emitting neutrinos wouldn't that exclude them from the "singularity" concept?
 
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2keyla said:
Let me preface by apologizing if this isn't posted in the correct forum... If it isn't, please point me to the correct forum and I'll gladly re-post.

Why is an anomaly like a BH considered a singularity?
It is not. A black hole and a singularity are not synonyms.

According to the theory of general relativity a black hole, as modeled by the Schwarzschild or Kerr solution must have a singularity. It is simply a consequence of the theory.

2keyla said:
Why is a BH not considered to be a super massive object existing in our space-time fabric? So massive and most likely spinning, but not necessarily spinning, to cause light not to reflect back to the viewer. Hence a black hole.
Well that is pretty much what it is.

2keyla said:
Here's my question... why are BHs not emitting huge amounts of neutrinos? or are they?
Because the gravitational force is so strong that even light cannot escape from it.
 
Neutrinos cannot escape from inside the event horizon. The have no more priveleges than photons. Particles do escape a black hole at the event horizon. Pair production at the quantum level occasionally allows real particles to escape. It's called Hawking radiation. The negative energy part of the equation is absorbed by the black hole causing an effective loss of mass, and after a virtual eternity, evaporation of the black hole.
 
2keyla said:
Why is a BH not considered to be a super massive object existing in our space-time fabric? So massive and most likely spinning, but not necessarily spinning, to cause light not to reflect back to the viewer. Hence a black hole.
One corrective comment: whether something is a black hole or not does not only depends on its mass. A black hole does not have to be very heavy, one can have a very light black hole as well. Whether an object is a black hole depends on the size of its surface area in relation to its mass, electric charge and angular momentum.
 

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