Why are cumulants extensive and moments are not?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter annaphys
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Moments
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

Cumulants are extensive because 1-particle operators are additive when applied to disjoint systems, and the logarithm of the expectation of an exponential, which defines cumulants from the partition function, is also additive. Size-extensivity is essential for applying quantum estimates to large quantum systems; without it, even noninteracting large systems cannot be accurately described. Key resources for further understanding include the paper by Nooijen, Shamasundar & Mukherjee and the online book by A. Neumaier and D. Westra.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of cumulants and moments in statistical mechanics
  • Familiarity with quantum mechanics and many-body theory
  • Knowledge of partition functions and their significance
  • Basic grasp of additive properties in mathematical physics
NEXT STEPS
  • Read "Reflections on size-extensivity, size-consistency and generalized extensivity in many-body theory" by Nooijen, Shamasundar & Mukherjee
  • Study Part II (Statistical mechanics) of "Classical and Quantum Mechanics via Lie algebras" by A. Neumaier and D. Westra
  • Explore the mathematical foundations of cumulants and their applications in quantum systems
  • Investigate the implications of size-extensivity in thermodynamic limits
USEFUL FOR

Researchers in theoretical physics, particularly those focused on statistical mechanics and quantum systems, as well as students seeking to deepen their understanding of cumulants and their significance in many-body theory.

annaphys
Messages
69
Reaction score
1
And why does it matter if they are extensive or not?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: A. Neumaier
Physics news on Phys.org
They are extensive because 1-particle operators are additive when applied to disjoint systems, and the log of the expectation of an exponential (which defines the cumulants from the partition function) is additive, too.

Size-extensivity is a necessary condition for the applicability of quantum estimates to large quantum systems, since without it not even a noninteracting large system is described correctly.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: annaphys
That makes sense thank you. Do you have any resources on this that explains it further?
 
A good discussion is in
  • Nooijen, Shamasundar & Mukherjee, Reflections on size-extensivity, size-consistency and generalized extensivity in many-body theory. Molecular Physics, 103 (2005), 2277-2298.
For the general background you might also benefit from reading Part II (Statistical mechanics) of my online book
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: annaphys

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K