Why Are Galaxies Rushing Apart According to Weinberg's First Three Minutes?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the expansion of the universe as described in Steven Weinberg's "The First Three Minutes." Participants debate the role of dark energy in this expansion, the accuracy of Weinberg's statements, and the implications of general relativity on the understanding of cosmic expansion.

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  • Some participants argue that galaxies are moving apart due to dark energy, which was not known at the time Weinberg wrote his book.
  • Others assert that dark energy causes the acceleration of the universe's expansion, but not the expansion itself, which is a consequence of general relativity.
  • A participant challenges Weinberg's analogy of galaxies being driven apart by an explosion, stating it is incorrect.
  • One participant speculates on the shape of the universe before the Big Bang, suggesting it consisted of giant stars, which is met with criticism for being nonsensical.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while Weinberg's book contains outdated information, it still holds value for readers.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of Weinberg's statements and the role of dark energy in cosmic expansion. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple competing views remain present in the discussion.

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Participants reference the limitations of Weinberg's work based on the knowledge available at the time of writing, particularly regarding dark energy and the understanding of cosmic expansion through general relativity.

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in weinberg's first three minutes he wrote:
The galaxies are not rushing apart because of some mysterious force that is pushing them apart, just as the rising stone in our analogy is not being repelled by the earth. Rather, the galaxies are moving apart because they were thrown apart by some sort of explosion in the past.
I'm starting to regret reading this book. he came out with an updated edition in 1993 but it looks like he didn't correct his mistakes. it looks like he just put a small forward at the end of the book because clearly there are some things that were known in 93 but not in 79 that should have forced him to correct some passages. in any case dark energy was not known until 1998, so i just want to make sure that galaxies are rushing apart due to dark energy and that the above passage is wrong.
 
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g.lemaitre said:
in weinberg's first three minutes he wrote:

I'm starting to regret reading this book. he came out with an updated edition in 1993 but it looks like he didn't correct his mistakes. it looks like he just put a small forward at the end of the book because clearly there are some things that were known in 93 but not in 79 that should have forced him to correct some passages. in any case dark energy was not known until 1998, so i just want to make sure that galaxies are rushing apart due to dark energy and that the above passage is wrong.

Quite a bit of the book is outdated, as is the issue you are concerned about, and you are correct that his "updates" were inadequate, but it is still a book worth reading.

EDIT: and yes, in direct answer to your specific question, he didn't know about dark energy, which IS the name we give to WHATEVER it is that is causing the ACCELERATION of the expansion of the universe (but not the expansion itself). See:

www.phinds.com/balloonanalogy for a small amount of further discussion.
 
No, dark energy is not causing the expansion if the universe. It's causing the acceleration of the universe. The concept of an expanding universe is an effect of general relativity, and has been well understood since Friedman proposed an expanding universe. In general relativity, distance is defined in terms of the metric. When we say the universe is expanding, we mean the metric is changing - the distance between galaxies is changing. If you held rulers in between every galaxy, you would find that, after time, these rulers no longer measured the full distance.

This effect of expansion is caused by the presence of any matter or energy in a particular space-time. This was Einstein's dilemma - he tried to introduce the cosmological constant to avoid this fact. But, you know how the story goes from there.

However, Weinberg's statement that galaxies were driven apart by an explosion is also incorrect.
 
What I think the shape of the universe before the big bang was a few millions giant stars each star equals to a billion times of the size of Earth ...
 
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AssyrianOz said:
What I think the shape of the universe before the big bang was a few millions giant stars each star equals to a billion times of the size of Earth ...

You really should not post nonsense on a serious physics forum. It doesn't go over well here.
 

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