Why are Microwaves Better for Quantum Info Stability?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the use of microwaves versus lasers in the context of quantum information stability, particularly in experiments involving trapping pseudo molecules in a magnetic field gradient. Participants explore the reasons behind the claimed advantages of microwaves, including frequency stability and practical implementation challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that lasers are difficult to maintain in terms of frequency stability, while questioning why masers are considered easier to keep stable.
  • One participant points out that the paper does not explicitly state that masers are more stable, only that lasers are challenging to work with.
  • It is mentioned that while lasers operate at high frequencies, their stability can be very good, and techniques like frequency combs can be used to lock lasers to masers.
  • Another participant argues that microwaves can be more stable due to the simplicity of the electronic circuits used to generate them, which are easier to manage than lasers.
  • Short-term stability is highlighted as crucial for quantum information, with microwaves being easier to stabilize in the GHz range compared to the THz range of optical systems.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of microwaves, such as difficulties in focusing and interactions with other technologies like fiber communication.
  • Some participants clarify that masers are not typically used for radiating in experiments, but rather as frequency standards and amplifiers, suggesting that standard microwave sources are sufficient for the discussed applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of masers versus lasers, with no consensus reached on the advantages of one over the other. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific claims about stability and the appropriate use of microwaves or masers in quantum information contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the term "stability" requires clarification regarding timescales, as different systems may exhibit varying stability characteristics over short versus long durations.

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Hi guys, I've been reading a paper recently about trapping pseudo molecules in a magnetic field gradient. It says at one point that one of the successes has been due to using microwaves opposed to lasers; they claim that the reason for this is because lasers are notoriously difficult for maintaining frequency stability. My question is then why are Mazers easier to keep stable?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hazzattack said:
Hi guys, I've been reading a paper recently about trapping pseudo molecules in a magnetic field gradient. It says at one point that one of the successes has been due to using microwaves opposed to lasers; they claim that the reason for this is because lasers are notoriously difficult for maintaining frequency stability. My question is then why are Mazers easier to keep stable?

Thanks in advance.

You must make a proper citation of the source! While this forum may appear to be any ordinary, public forum, we are trying to instill the habit of always citing the source of what we read, heard, etc. So please cite it as if you are making a citation in a science paper (author/s, publication, volume, page, year).

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Zz.
 
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Apologies, the following is the paper i was reading;

Designer Spin Pseudomolecule Implemented with Trapped Ions in a Magnetic Gradient
A. Khromova, Ch. Piltz, B. Scharfenberger, T. F. Gloger, M. Johanning, A. F. Varo ́ n, and Ch. Wunderlich* Department Physik, Naturwissenschaftlich-Technische Fakulta ̈t, Universita ̈t Siegen, 57068 Siegen, Germany
(Received 3 February 2012; published 1 June 2012)
 
What journal was this published in?

Zz.
 
PHYSICAL REVIEW LETTERS

DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.220502.

Thanks.
 
I had a quick look at the paper, and I can't see where they explicity state that masers are more stable; as far as I can tell they do not even mention masers,
They do say that lasers are more difficult to work with, but that is a separate issue.

It is true that stabilising lasers is far from trivial, but on the other hand they operate at very high frequencies. Hence, the relatively stability is often extremely good. By using a frequency comb it is also possible to lock a laser to a maser.

Also, the word stability does not mean anything unless you also give a timescale. Hydrogen masers are some of the most stable references we have for short timescales (which is why they are used to generate the timesignal), but they do not work well for longer timescales (which is where atomic clocks work well). Hence, for e.g. keepting track of time we use both masers and atomic clocks (Cs fountains).
 
Thanks a lot for the response. The paper talks about radiating the ions with microwaves, thus i assumed this would be with a mazer.
 
You actually don't necessarily need a maser for that. Using microwaves for quantum information is also done in other approaches, for example with superconducting qubits and in combination with lasers in NV-centers. The good thing about microwave is as you stated in the OP that they are much easier to get stable, and that's because simple (though well made) electronic circuits (antennas) can be enough, as long as they are situated close enough to you sample, which are much easier to deal with than lasers.

Also, about the stablilty, what matters for quantum information is usually the short term stability, i.e. you have to remain coherent with your system between pulses/gate operations, and it's much easier to achieve a stable system in the GHz time scale as opposed to the hundreds of THz optical regime. The drawbacks of the microwave regime on the other hand include that it's hard to achieve good focusing and that it doesn't interact well with certain other techniques like coupling to fiber communication, which may be required for some applications.
 
Hazzattack said:
Thanks a lot for the response. The paper talks about radiating the ions with microwaves, thus i assumed this would be with a mazer.

Masers are hardly ever used for "radiating" anything. The primary applications of masers are as frequency standards and amplifiers.
For the type of experiment they describe in the paper you can just use normal microwave sources, the technology is more or less the same as what is used to generate the microwaves in your mobile phone or WIFI router.
 

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