Why are the centers of galaxies so bright?

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The discussion revolves around the brightness of the centers of galaxies, particularly in relation to the presence of supermassive black holes. Participants explore the implications of black holes on light emission and visibility from Earth, addressing both theoretical and observational aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how supermassive black holes can coexist with bright galactic centers, suggesting that black holes would "eat" all emitted light.
  • Others clarify that the event horizon of a black hole is relatively small compared to the galaxy, allowing most light to escape and be detected.
  • It is noted that dust in the galaxy obstructs visible light, but infrared and other wavelengths can penetrate this dust, enabling observation of the galactic center.
  • Participants discuss the visibility of light emitted from stars near black holes, with some asserting that light emitted outside the event horizon can reach observers.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of "very close" to the black hole, with some arguing that light emitted from stars outside the event horizon is not significantly affected.

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Participants express differing views on the interaction between light and black holes, particularly regarding visibility and the effects of proximity to the event horizon. No consensus is reached on the implications of these interactions.

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Some statements reflect assumptions about light behavior near black holes and the definitions of proximity, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes simplifications that may overlook complex gravitational effects.

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If there is supposedly a super massive black hole in the center of each galaxy, wouldn't that eat all the light given off? Also, if the centers are so bright, why can't we see our galactic center from earth?
 
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The diameter of the black holes event horizon in the center of our galaxy is only a few dozen AU I believe. It is VERY VERY small compared with the overall size of the galaxy. On top of that it doesn't "eat light" unless the light goes into it. Since it is so small practically all the light emitted in the galaxy misses it completely.

We can't see the center of our galaxy very well because there is a lot of dust in the arms of our galaxy that block visible light. But we can use cameras to see in the infrared and below, which DOES pass through dust. In the microwave range we have enough resolution to see where the event horizon is when the black hole eats up gas and dust and whatever else spirals into it by watching the gas and dust heat up and emit EM radiation before it gets swallowed up. It's been quiet so far and hasn't had anything spiraling into it, but I believe next year there is a giant gas cloud that will start to spiral in. It should be quite a show!
 
physicsguy13 said:
Even if the black hole did "suck up" all of the light, we could still see the light traveling towards the event horizon.

Not true. You cannot see light unless it enters your eye or enters a sensor to be detected. Light does not bounce off of other light, so we wouldn't be able to see it.
 
lundyjb said:
If there is supposedly a super massive black hole in the center of each galaxy, wouldn't that eat all the light given off? Also, if the centers are so bright, why can't we see our galactic center from earth?

We not only CAN see the galactic center (although not if the visible spectrum), there is a detailed plot of the orbits of stars around (very close in to) the super-massive black hole that in fact is part of the evidence that it it IS a black hole.
 
I'm sorry, I mispoke. Unless the star is very close to the black hole, it is likely that some of the light will come in our direction.
 
physicsguy13 said:
I'm sorry, I mispoke. Unless the star is very close to the black hole, it is likely that some of the light will come in our direction.

As long as the star is outside of the event horizon its light will reach us. This is a gross simplification, and things like tidal effects would rip apart the star if it were too close, but basically as long as the light is emitted outside of the event horizon, and it doesn't pass too close to the black hole, it will reach us. Also, perhaps you aren't realizing that light is emitted in all directions from a star. Some of the light IS going to fall into the black hole, but that is a very small fraction of the total light.
 
Drakkith said:
As long as the star is outside of the event horizon its light will reach us. This is a gross simplification, and things like tidal effects would rip apart the star if it were too close, but basically as long as the light is emitted outside of the event horizon, and it doesn't pass too close to the black hole, it will reach us. Also, perhaps you aren't realizing that light is emitted in all directions from a star. Some of the light IS going to fall into the black hole, but that is a very small fraction of the total light.
What did I say wrong then?
 
physicsguy13 said:
What did I say wrong then?

You said
Unless the star is very close to the black hole, it is likely that some of the light will come in our direction.

Do you not see how Drakith's comment shows that to be incorrect? (Unless you define "very close" as meaning "inside the event horizon", but that would be an unusual interpretation since "inside the event horizon" is not "very close" it is IN)
 
You weren't really "wrong", I just want to make sure you understand that unless the light is emitted inside of the black hole then it will probably be able to reach us. (Or someone else since light is emitted in all directions)
 

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