Why can it consist of only one element of a?

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter evinda
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Element
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of sets, specifically focusing on the singleton set and the axiom of extensionality in set theory. Participants explore the implications of defining sets with repeated elements and the distinction between sets and multisets.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that the singleton set $\{a\}$ consists of only one element, which is $a$, rather than "one element of $a$."
  • Participants reference the definition of set membership and how it applies to the singleton set, noting that $\{a\} = \{a,a\}$.
  • One participant introduces the axiom of extensionality, explaining that two sets are equal if they contain the same elements, which leads to the conclusion that $\{1, 1\}$ is equal to $\{1\}$.
  • There is mention of set-like structures where the axiom of extensionality does not hold, such as multisets, which can differentiate between repeated elements.
  • Some participants engage in light-hearted banter regarding the similarity of their thoughts on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and implications of the singleton set and the axiom of extensionality, but there is recognition of alternative structures (like multisets) where these principles may not apply, indicating some level of disagreement on the broader applicability of these axioms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the axiom of extensionality in certain contexts, such as multisets, without resolving the implications of these limitations.

evinda
Gold Member
MHB
Messages
3,741
Reaction score
0
Hey! (Nerd)

If $a,b$ sets, then we symbolize $\{ a,b\}$, the set that has as elements $a$ and $b$ and only these.

If $\{ a, b \}$ a set of pair and $a=b$, then we write $\{a,a \}=\{a \}$ and the set $\{ a \}$ is called the singleton, that consists of only one element of $a$.

Why can $\{a\}$ consist of only one element of $a$ ? (Thinking)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
evinda said:
Why can $\{a\}$ consist of only one element of $a$ ?
Strictly speaking, it is not the case that $\{a\}$ consists of only one element of $a$; rather, $\{a\}$ consists of only one element, namely, $a$.

By definition of $\{a,b\}$, we have
\[
x\in \{a,b\}\leftrightarrow x=a\lor x=b.\qquad(*)
\]
Also by definition, $\{a\}=\{a,a\}$. Instantiating (*) with $\{a\}$ (i.e., when $a=b$), we get
\[
x\in \{a\}\leftrightarrow x=a\lor x=a\leftrightarrow x=a.
\]
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Strictly speaking, it is not the case that $\{a\}$ consists of only one element of $a$; rather, $\{a\}$ consists of only one element, namely, $a$.

By definition of $\{a,b\}$, we have
\[
x\in \{a,b\}\leftrightarrow x=a\lor x=b.\qquad(*)
\]
Also by definition, $\{a\}=\{a,a\}$. Instantiating (*) with $\{a\}$ (i.e., when $a=b$), we get
\[
x\in \{a\}\leftrightarrow x=a\lor x=a\leftrightarrow x=a.
\]

I understand... Thank you very much! (Clapping)
 
Note that:

$P \vee P \iff P$

"If I am going to the store, or, I'm going to the store, then, I'm going to the store. Moreover, if I'm going to the store, then surely, either I'm going to the store, or...I'm going to the store!"

Note as well, that:

$\{a,a\} = \{a\} \cup \{a\}$

More pointedly: "sets are not multisets", or as G. Spenser-Brown says, in The Laws of Form (paraphrased):

To call again, is to call.
 
This is actually known as the axiom of extensionality. It is defined that two sets $A$ and $B$ are equal if every element of $A$ is in $B$. From this follows that $\{1, 1\}$ for example is equal to the singleton set $\{1\}$.

However, this is only an axiom. There are set-like structures for which this axiom doesn't hold, e.g., $\{1, 1\}$ and $\{1\}$ differs. A multiset is an example of such a structure, for example.

EDIT : Ah, Deveno beat me to it.
 
mathbalarka said:
This is actually known as the axiom of extensionality. It is defined that two sets $A$ and $B$ are equal if every element of $A$ is in $B$. From this follows that $\{1, 1\}$ for example is equal to the singleton set $\{1\}$.

However, this is only an axiom. There are set-like structures for which this axiom doesn't hold, e.g., $\{1, 1\}$ and $\{1\}$ differs. A multiset is an example of such a structure, for example.

EDIT : Ah, Deveno beat me to it.

Do we get extra credit for thinking of the same thing, at the same time?
 
Deveno said:
Do we get extra credit for thinking of the same thing, at the same time?

Hahaha, probably not. We'll be marked as copy-cats by the examiners soon enough.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K