Why dark matter can not collapse into a blackhole?

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The discussion centers on the question of whether dark matter can collapse into a black hole under its own weight. It explores theoretical implications, the nature of dark matter, and its interactions with ordinary matter and gravitational phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that dark matter can collapse into a black hole, as it is subject to gravitational interactions like any other form of matter.
  • Others contend that while dark matter can theoretically collapse, it is practically more difficult due to its lack of electromagnetic interactions, which prevents it from dissipating kinetic energy.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the neutralino as a hypothetical dark matter candidate, suggesting that its properties may inhibit interactions similar to regular matter.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that dark matter is essentially collisionless and does not clump, which may limit its ability to contribute to baryonic clumping processes, including the formation of black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability of dark matter to collapse into black holes, with no consensus reached. Some believe it can collapse under certain conditions, while others highlight practical challenges and limitations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of dark matter, its interactions, and the conditions required for gravitational collapse. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding these factors.

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Why dark matter can not collapse into a black hole under it's own weight?
 
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magnetar said:
Why dark matter can not collapse into a black hole under it's own weight?

It can.

Bloodthunder said:
Because dark matter interacts very little with ordinary matter. Black holes are ordinary matter, so...

No. Black holes are purely gravitational phenomena. In fact, the ONLY known interaction dark matter is capable of being a part of is the gravitational interaction and would collapse into a black hole just like any other forms of matter. We wouldn't be able to distinguish a dark matter black hole from a normal, non-charged matter black hole
 
Pengwuino said:
No. Black holes are purely gravitational phenomena. In fact, the ONLY known interaction dark matter is capable of being a part of is the gravitational interaction and would collapse into a black hole just like any other forms of matter.

Okay, might have been a little wrong there. However, you seem to be talking about dark matter falling into black holes. What about the case for dark matter itself? Is dense dark matter "masses" capable of gravitational collapse?
 
To repeat the answer already given, yes, dark matter can collapse to form black holes. As a practical matter, however, it is more difficult. Without electromagnetic interactions, clumps of dark matter have no way to dissipate their kinetic energy and tend to remain uncollapsed.
 
Bloodthunder said:
Okay, might have been a little wrong there. However, you seem to be talking about dark matter falling into black holes. What about the case for dark matter itself? Is dense dark matter "masses" capable of gravitational collapse?

No, I didn't mean to imply dark matter falling into normal black holes. It is completely general. A sufficiently massive cluster of dark matter should gravitationally collapse into a black hole.

As Bill K mentioned, this would be much tougher practically to achieve but the end result would be the same.
 
A hypothetical candidate for dark matter is the neutralino, a supersymmetric particle which is it's own antiparticle and if it was to come into too close a contact with other neutralinos, would annihilate, hence there may be an inbuilt mechanism that stops dark matter from interacting like regular matter. This annihilation is actually one method being used to detect the presence of dark matter-

http://scipp.ucsc.edu/milagro/papers/PhysRevD_70_083516.pdf
 
Dark matter is believed to be essentially collisionless, meaning it does not 'clump' hence is, for all practical purposes, unable to contribute mass to baryonic clumping processes [e.g., stars, galaxies, black holes, etc.] It is, however, believed capable of providing significant gravitational assistance to baryonic matter clumping processes.
 

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