Why Do Galaxies Spin and What Role Do Black Holes Play?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why galaxies and black holes spin, exploring the role of angular momentum in their formation. Participants examine the processes involved from the initial stages of matter coming together to the eventual formation of stars, black holes, and galaxies, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the spin of galaxies and black holes originates from the angular momentum of matter that does not come together in a perfectly symmetrical manner.
  • It is suggested that stars forming black holes retain their rotational inertia from their pre-supernova state.
  • One participant mentions that the initial conditions of matter, such as a large cloud of particles, are unlikely to have zero angular momentum, which contributes to the eventual spin of compact structures.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that as a diffuse cloud of gas collapses, its angular momentum becomes more pronounced, resulting in noticeable spin.
  • Participants discuss the influence of dust in spiral galaxies, noting that it causes stars to orbit in a plane due to friction, while galaxies with little dust tend to form elliptical shapes with random star orbits.
  • There is a consideration of the rarity of non-spinning galaxies, with one participant likening it to the improbability of a coin landing balanced on its edge.

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Participants express varying interpretations of how angular momentum affects the spin of galaxies and black holes, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the specifics of these processes.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the initial conditions of matter and the nature of angular momentum are not fully explored, leaving room for further inquiry into the complexities of galaxy and black hole formation.

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I wondered about them sometime; I came across many theories, such as it might be because the of the black hole at its centre, but another question rises! Why black holes spin?
I thought it might be because at first when the black hole was a star just like our sun, before supernovae happening, at its first moments that matter collided together, gravity made them turn around each other then eventually collision and then birth of a star!
Any suggestions?
 
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Planets, black holes, galaxies all spin for the same reason. The matter that forms them does not come together all headed in directly to a single point. Also, the stars that form black holes are rotating before they go supernova. Why would you expect that rotational inertia to just disappear?
 
By my statement, I meant before the creation of even stars, matter collided in a circular direction because of their gravity, then star was made, supernovae and then black holes, both bodies spin but I meant rotation of black holes or planets may accrued way back when their first parts was joined to make them.
 
ryanuser said:
... rotation of black holes or planets may accrued way back when their first parts was joined to make them.

Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
 
Another way to state it is that it is really, really unlikely for a large, randomly-moving cloud of particles to have no angular momentum at all. It likely won't have enough to have any noticeable spin while it's still a diffuse cloud of gas. When that cloud of particles collapses over time to form a compact structure like a galaxy, the angular momentum stays close to the same, but because a galaxy (or a star, or a planet, or a black hole) is vastly, vastly more compact than the cloud of dust that it forms from, it spins noticeably.

And for spiral galaxies, the reason why the stars mostly tend to orbit in a plane is because those galaxies are full of dust, and thus the stars experience friction. Galaxies with little to no dust form elliptical galaxies, which have stars orbiting in essentially random directions.
 
So what you are saying is that clouds of dust just start to spin after being compressed down?
 
ryanuser said:
So what you are saying is that clouds of dust just start to spin after being compressed down?
Sorta kinda. More that large clouds of gas are already spinning on average by some imperceptible amount just due to the random motions of the particles in the cloud. You'd never notice it for a large cloud.

But as the cloud collapses in on itself due to gravity, that spinning becomes very noticeable indeed.
 
Thanks, now I got more clear view of it.
 
ryanuser said:
So what you are saying is that clouds of dust just start to spin after being compressed down?

Well, that is how angular momentum works...

It's not impossible to find a non-spinning galaxy, but it would be surprising, for about the same reason that it would be surprising to throw a coin and have it land balanced on its edge. There's no violation of the laws of physics, but the initial conditions that would lead to that result are unlikely. Likewise, it's very unlikely that you'll find a cloud of gas that has zero angular momentum but if you did, it could collapse down to a non-rotating galaxy.
 

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