Why do the constellations appear to move differently in different seasons?

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The discussion centers on the apparent movement of constellations, particularly the Big Dipper, across different seasons and times of the year. Participants explore the effects of Earth's rotation and orbit around the sun, as well as the implications for other celestial bodies.

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  • One participant notes that the Big Dipper's position changes at midnight between December and June due to Earth's tilt and orbit.
  • Another participant explains that the apparent movement of the Big Dipper is a combination of Earth's spin and its orbit around the sun, similar to the moon's movement.
  • A question is raised about how the Earth's orbit affects the position of the Big Dipper over a year, specifically whether it adds or subtracts from its apparent motion.
  • A participant references the sun's consistent position at noon, questioning why its orbit does not affect that.
  • There is a query regarding whether all planets with a day/night cycle experience a similar alignment of sidereal and solar days after one orbit.
  • Another participant suggests that while some planets may have different spin rates, the relationship between spin and orbit is not uniform, citing the example of the Earth's year length.
  • A clarification is provided about sidereal time and how Earth's revolution contributes to the apparent motion of stars, while noting that the tilt of Earth's axis affects the sun's path but not the stars' positions.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between Earth's rotation, orbit, and the movement of celestial bodies. There is no consensus on some of the more complex implications, such as the alignment of sidereal and solar days for other planets.

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Participants discuss the effects of Earth's tilt and orbit, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specific mechanics of these movements and their implications for different celestial bodies.

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If the Big Dipper goes around once every 24 hours, why is it in a different position at midnight in December contrasted with midnight in June?
 
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The Earth has a tilt so that as we orbit the sun we see the Big Dipper in a different location. The apparent movement of 24 hours is due to the Earths spin and on top of that is the apparent movement due to the Earth's orbit around the sun.

You can see a similar effect with the moon where the Earth's spin causes the moon to traverse the sky but each night at the same time it's moved by a 10+ degrees or so from the previous night due to its 29.5 day orbit about the earth.
 
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So, the orbit of the Earth around the sun adds some time to the 24 hour motion of the Big Dipper around the pole?

In a year's time how great is the change (does it add one rotation per year or does it plus for a time then minus for a time)?

The position of the sun seems to be always the same at noon, why doesn't the orbit affect that?
 
Here's a reference to read:

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=300

Remember the sun changes its height in the sky with the seasons due to the Earth's tilted axis.
 
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Would it be true for all the planets, that have a day/night cycle, that the sidereal day about lines up with the solar day after one orbit?
 
I think that could happen for a while but if you think about the moon its spin has tidally locked with the Earth ie gravity has an effect on the spin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking

for the planets I think they all have different spin rates and its not necessary tied to the orbit. In fact the Earth year is 365.25 days right?

Someone more knowledgeable than I should comment on this though.
 
So, the term you are looking for is sidereal time. The sidereal day is 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. Multiply the difference out and you see that the Earth's revolution is indeed responsible for adding an extra day to the apparent motion of the stars.

Also, the tilt of Earth's axis is why the sun's path moves up and down throughout the year, but has no impact on the stars: the north star, for example, is always in exactly the same place. The other stars just rotate around it.
 

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