Why Do Theories Rely on the Concept of Time If It's a Human Construct?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of time and its significance in scientific theories. Participants explore whether time is a human construct or a fundamental aspect of reality, touching on concepts from physics, philosophy, and relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the naturalness of time, suggesting it may be a human invention for practical purposes.
  • Others argue that time is an integral dimension in science, with real effects observable in phenomena such as GPS technology, which relies on relativistic effects.
  • A participant emphasizes that while time may be perceived differently depending on the observer's frame of reference, it remains a real quantity in physics.
  • There are discussions about the relativity of time, with some asserting that time flows at different rates depending on gravitational fields and relative speeds.
  • One participant proposes that time could be viewed similarly to coordinates in a system, suggesting that its measurement is dependent on the chosen frame of reference.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that time is tied to organized changes in perception rather than being a physical entity.
  • Some participants acknowledge the philosophical implications of time, indicating that its nature may be endlessly debatable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of time, with no consensus reached. Some assert that time is real and fundamental, while others maintain that it is a construct. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding time, including its dependence on gravity, speed, and the subjective nature of personal experiences of time. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of time's relativity and its measurement.

  • #31
littlebanger said:
i was wondering why time gets mentioned so much in theories and stuff when there is nothing natural about time at all didnt we just make it up for are own use ? ( again sorry for the lame question and thanks for any comments )
Time is real. That's why it's so important "in theories and stuff".

How do you think about time? What do you think the word, time, refers to?
 
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  • #32
littlebanger said:
i was wondering why time gets mentioned so much in theories and stuff when there is nothing natural about time at all didnt we just make it up for are own use ? ( again sorry for the lame question and thanks for any comments )


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1011/1011.0746v1.pdf


The formulation of quantum mechanics within the framework of entropic
dynamics includes several new elements. In this paper we concentrate
on one of them: the implications for the theory of time. Entropic
time is introduced as a book-keeping device to keep track of the accumulation
of changes.
One new feature is that, unlike other concepts of
time appearing in the so-called fundamental laws of physics, entropic time
incorporates a natural distinction between past and future.


also julian barbour +time (google)
 
  • #34
dacruick said:
A measurement in nature is a comparison to something else. You can't measure anything without a reference point.

This. Energy = Time & Temperature. Matter is temperature's decorations on energy vacuums (see Dirac Sea). Time requires a reference point to be relevant for discussion.
 
  • #35
JAlderman_FL said:
This. Energy = Time & Temperature.

Or is it Time = Money ?

Matter is temperature's decorations on energy vacuums (see Dirac Sea). Time requires a reference point to be relevant for discussion.
Or maybe Time is just nature's way of preventing everything from occurring at once?
 
  • #36
JDługosz said:
Or maybe Time is just nature's way of preventing everything from occurring at once?

There's a fun passage in The Cloud of Unknowing a mystical tract from 14th century England where the author argues exactly that (with God in place of nature, of course):

https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2778899&postcount=16
 
  • #37
How can you even discuss time when most of the people, each of which make up our common present, in the world think of it as not real. Time is a how we count intrinsic motion and it is a measure of duration the inverse of space in any direction. I must be crazy for thinking it is fundamental to our common reality because for most of the population it is a illusion and not real. :cry:
 
  • #38
JDługosz said:
Or maybe Time is just nature's way of preventing everything from occurring at once?

This is more in the arena of Consciousness. Depending on how succinct your discussion of time is, everything could quite literally be occurring at once. Your perception tells the tale, therefore occurrence seems more an issue of Consciousness.
 
  • #39
Time does not exist - only the present configuration of the universe has ever and will ever exist. All else are human "records" that create the "emotion" of time.
 
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