Why Does a^2 + b^2 Have No Solution?

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The discussion revolves around the expression \(a^2 + b^2\) and the conditions under which it is said to have no solutions. Participants explore the implications of this expression in different mathematical contexts, including real and complex numbers, and the concept of factoring.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of stating that \(a^2 + b^2\) has no solution, suggesting that it is not an equation and thus the term "solution" may not apply.
  • Others clarify that while the expression \(a^2 + b^2\) cannot be factored into linear polynomials with real coefficients, the equation \(a^2 + b^2 = 0\) has a solution in the form \(a = b = 0\) when considering complex numbers.
  • It is noted that the equation \(a^2 + b^2 = -1\) has no real solutions, highlighting the distinction between different equations involving the expression.
  • Some participants reference the context of algebra education, where \(a^2 - b^2\) is factored differently than \(a^2 + b^2\), which is not factorable in the same way within real numbers.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of \(a^2 + b^2\) as an expression versus an equation. There is no consensus on the implications of its factorability or the conditions under which it has solutions, particularly regarding real versus complex numbers.

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Limitations include the ambiguity in defining "solution" for expressions versus equations, as well as the dependence on the context of real versus complex numbers in determining the existence of solutions.

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##a^2+b^2## is not an equation, “solution” is a meaningless concept.

You can write the expression as product of two factors - so what? The easiest way to do so is writing it as ##1(a^2+b^2)##. That doesn’t make it easier.
 
I think the OP is referring to how algebra teachers introduce factoring to say that ##a^2 - b^2## is factorable into ##(a -b) * (a + b)## and that ##a^2 + b^2## is not factorable in the context of real numbers.

https://brownmath.com/alge/sumsqr.htm
 
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Why people say that a^2 + b^2 has no solution?
The equation ##a^2 + b^2 = 0## has no solution in the real numbers. If you relax this restriction, allowing complex numbers, then there are solutions.
Edit: ##a^2 + b^2 = 0## does have a solution: a = b = 0. However, the equation ##a^2 + b^2 = -1## has no real solution, as @mfb points out in a subsequent post.

The quadratic (i.e., 2nd degree) polynomial ##a^2 + b^2## cannot be factored into the product of two linear (i.e., first degree) polynomials with real coefficients. Your factorization, with terms involving ##\sqrt{2ab}## doesn't consist of linear polynomials. In fact, ##a \pm \sqrt{2ab} + b## isn't even a polynomial of any kind.

As already mentioned, equations and inequalities have solutions, but expressions don't.
 
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Mark44 said:
The equation ##a^2 + b^2 = 0## has no solution in the real numbers. If you relax this restriction, allowing complex numbers, then there are solutions.
##a=b=0## is a solution.
##a^2 + b^2 = -1## has no real solution.
 
mfb said:
##a=b=0## is a solution.
Well, yes, there's that one. Doh!
 

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