Why Does a Function Have Unique X-Coordinates?

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The discussion centers on the concept of functions in mathematics, specifically addressing why a function cannot have the same x-coordinates for different y-values. Participants explore the implications of this definition and its significance in understanding functions, including their representation through ordered pairs and graphical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a function must have a unique output for each input to maintain consistency in its definition, suggesting that multiple outputs for the same input would violate the fundamental nature of a function.
  • One participant likens a function to a machine, emphasizing that the output should depend solely on the input and the defined rule of the function, which would be compromised if the same input produced different outputs.
  • Another participant introduces the analogy of a map, arguing that if a function could map an input to multiple outputs, it would lead to confusion, similar to a map that directs to multiple locations from a single starting point.
  • A different viewpoint is presented regarding ordered pairs, where one participant notes that while multiple pairs can share the same x-value, this would necessitate a different description than simply stating "Y is a Function of X." They provide examples, such as the equation of a circle, to illustrate cases where multiple y-values correspond to a single x-value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of having multiple outputs for a single input. While some maintain that this would invalidate the function's definition, others provide examples where such scenarios occur, indicating a lack of consensus on the broader applicability of the function definition.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific mathematical constructs, such as the representation of a circle, to illustrate their points, which may introduce limitations in understanding the general definition of functions. The discussion also touches on the need for clear definitions when describing relationships between variables.

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Why a function can't have same x coordinates in a set of ordered pairs or in other words, in a function why an element of X can't have more than one image in Y? I know it's the definition, but i want to know the reason behind it.
 
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Picture a function as a sort of machine. We put something into it, and it gives us something out. I didn't say what these things are, they're just things. Now, what we get out depends on 1. What we put in, and 2. How the machine works.

So let's say I have a machine called [itex]f[/itex]. Let's say the object I input is called [itex]x[/itex]. Then the notation we use for the output is [itex]f(x)[/itex].

Now, that doesn't really tell us anything. Ideally, what we want to know is: if I give this function an input, what will the output be?

There are a lot of ways to specify the "rule" for the function, i.e. What the function does to the input in order to make an output. For instance, we could use a graph to show what the output would be. We could also use words, or we could use an algebraic formula.

Suppose we want a function to take our inputs and square them. So our input is [itex]x[/itex], we'll call our function [itex]f[/itex], and the output is [itex]f(x)[/itex], and we can describe what the output will look like by saying [itex]f(x) = x^2[/itex]. Or, to put it in words, the output of the function f, when we give it the number x, is equal to the square of x.

Now you see, we need to have this rule that tells us how the function will work. In the above example, the rule is "take your number and square it, and the result is the output."

However, the rule would be useless if one x value could have multiple y values. That would mean that we could put one number into the function and get a result, and then we put the same number in again and get an entirely different result. That doesn't make sense, because the function still has the same rule for transforming the input into the output. How can you put the same input in twice, with the same rule, but get different outputs? You can't. If you could, it wouldn't be a function.
 
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Why a function can't have same x coordinates in a set of ordered pairs or in other words, in a function why an element of X can't have more than one image in Y? I know it's the definition, but i want to know the reason behind it.
In a simpler way of thinking:
Reversibility without complications
 
A function is also called a map. Intuitively, think of what a map does. It takes you from one place to another place. So if your map is f and you start at x, then f takes x to f(x). However, if f takes you to multiple locations (that is, if f takes x to more than one value) then it isn't a very good map. It causes confusion.
 
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Why a function can't have same x coordinates in a set of ordered pairs or in other words, in a function why an element of X can't have more than one image in Y? I know it's the definition, but i want to know the reason behind it.
Starting with a set of ordered pairs, you can have several equal pairs and several pairs with the same X value. But - then you have to describe the ordered pairs in a different way than just saying "Y is a Function of X". The usual way is to define (X, Y) = (fx(t), fy(t)).

Example: The equation for a circle cannot be described in an "y = f(x)" way. But if we set (x, y) = (cos(t), sin(t)), t∈[0, 2π), we get a full description of a circle (with two values of y for each value of x).

Another example: Let (x, y) = (t⋅cos(t), t.sin(t)), t∈[0, →). You get:
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