Why Does AB*OA Equal (AQ)^2 in the Witch of Maria Agnesi Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a geometric relationship in the context of the Witch of Maria Agnesi problem, specifically examining the equation AB*OA = (AQ)^2. Participants are exploring the reasoning behind this relationship and the geometric properties involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation using similar triangles but encounters difficulties. They also explore connecting points to the origin of the circle and forming new triangles. Other participants suggest drawing additional line segments and consider the implications of triangle similarity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions and corrections. Some have provided diagrams and Mathematica code to aid in visualization. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding triangle relationships and notation, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation of the equation.

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There are mentions of potential corrections in notation and the implications of triangle similarity rules, indicating that participants are questioning the assumptions and definitions used in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement
Give the Parametric Equation of it.
Relevant Equations
x = AQ, y = 2 - ABsin(t), AB*OA = AQ^2
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So, I understood the solution and the method, but I didn't get one part: How did it conclude that AB*OA = (AQ)^2 ??
I tried to derive it using similarities(with ABP and AQO), but no luck. Then, I tried to connect B to the origin of the circle(call it R) and forming BOR, and obtaining OB, and although the Parametric Equation of it can be derived, it would be much more complex compared to the book solution and it doesn't conclude AB*OA = (AQ)^2 . I don't know what to do next, any suggestions?
 
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Try drawing the line segment BQ. What is the angle OBQ?
 
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The trick is to see that OA * OB = 4. One way is use similar triangles, QAO and QOB.
 
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This is the diagram I used. If anyone is interested, I posted Mathematica code below for an interactive Mainpulate. In the diagram, can we not say:
(corrected following as per comment below)
$$
\triangle QAO \sim \triangle BQO \sim \triangle BAQ
$$
via AAS rule. Then we have:

$$
\frac{QA}{BA}=\frac{AO}{AQ}
$$
or $$(QA)^2=AO\cdot BA?$$
angisiWitch.jpg


[CODE title="Mathematica code to inspect Agnesi Witch"]theCircle =
ContourPlot[x^2 + (y - 1)^2 == 1, {x, -3, 3}, {y, -3, 3},
PlotRange -> 5, Axes -> True];
theLine = Graphics[Line[{{-3, 2}, {3, 2}}]];
theX[t_] := 2 Cot[t];
theY[t_] := 2 Sin[t]^2
myT = Pi/4;
witchPt = ParametricPlot[{theX[t], theY[t]}, {t, Pi/14, Pi/2}];
Manipulate[
point1 = Graphics[{Red, PointSize[0.01], Point[theA]}];
point2 =
Graphics[{Blue, PointSize[0.01], Point[{theX[myT], theY[myT]}]}];
bLen[t_] := {theX[t] - 2 Sin[t] Cot[t]^2 Cos[t], theY[t]};
myLine2 = Graphics[Line[{{theX[myT], theY[myT]}, bLen[myT]}]];
myLine = Graphics[Line[{{0, 0}, {theX[myT], 2}}]];
myLine3 = Graphics[Line[{{theX[myT], theY[myT]}, {theX[myT], 2}}]];
greenPoint =
Graphics[{Darker@Green, PointSize[0.01], Point[bLen[myT]]}];
myLine4 = Graphics[{Darker@Green, Line[{{0, 2}, bLen[myT]}]}];
theLabels = Graphics[{Style[Text["Q", {-0.2, 2.2}], 14],
Style[Text["A", {theX[myT], 2.2}], 14],
Style[Text["P", {theX[myT] + 0.2, theY[myT] + 0.1}], 14],
Style[Text["B", bLen[myT] - {-0.1, 0.15}], 14],
Style[Text["O", {-0.15, -0.15}], 14]}];
Show[{theCircle, theLine, witchPt, myLine, point1, point2, myLine2,
myLine3, myLine4, theLabels, greenPoint}], {myT, Pi/20, Pi/2},
TrackedSymbols :> True][/CODE]
 
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Should that be BAQ, not BQA?
 
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Michael Price said:
Should that be BAQ, not BQA?

Ok thanks, I'll fix it.
 
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aheight said:
This is the diagram I used. If anyone is interested, I posted Mathematica code below for an interactive Mainpulate. In the diagram, can we not say:
(corrected following as per comment below)
$$
\triangle QAO \sim \triangle BQO \sim \triangle BAQ
$$
via AAS rule. Then we have:

$$
\frac{QA}{BA}=\frac{AO}{AQ}
$$
or $$(QA)^2=AO\cdot BA?$$
View attachment 248428

[CODE title="Mathematica code to inspect Agnesi Witch"]theCircle =
ContourPlot[x^2 + (y - 1)^2 == 1, {x, -3, 3}, {y, -3, 3},
PlotRange -> 5, Axes -> True];
theLine = Graphics[Line[{{-3, 2}, {3, 2}}]];
theX[t_] := 2 Cot[t];
theY[t_] := 2 Sin[t]^2
myT = Pi/4;
witchPt = ParametricPlot[{theX[t], theY[t]}, {t, Pi/14, Pi/2}];
Manipulate[
point1 = Graphics[{Red, PointSize[0.01], Point[theA]}];
point2 =
Graphics[{Blue, PointSize[0.01], Point[{theX[myT], theY[myT]}]}];
bLen[t_] := {theX[t] - 2 Sin[t] Cot[t]^2 Cos[t], theY[t]};
myLine2 = Graphics[Line[{{theX[myT], theY[myT]}, bLen[myT]}]];
myLine = Graphics[Line[{{0, 0}, {theX[myT], 2}}]];
myLine3 = Graphics[Line[{{theX[myT], theY[myT]}, {theX[myT], 2}}]];
greenPoint =
Graphics[{Darker@Green, PointSize[0.01], Point[bLen[myT]]}];
myLine4 = Graphics[{Darker@Green, Line[{{0, 2}, bLen[myT]}]}];
theLabels = Graphics[{Style[Text["Q", {-0.2, 2.2}], 14],
Style[Text["A", {theX[myT], 2.2}], 14],
Style[Text["P", {theX[myT] + 0.2, theY[myT] + 0.1}], 14],
Style[Text["B", bLen[myT] - {-0.1, 0.15}], 14],
Style[Text["O", {-0.15, -0.15}], 14]}];
Show[{theCircle, theLine, witchPt, myLine, point1, point2, myLine2,
myLine3, myLine4, theLabels, greenPoint}], {myT, Pi/20, Pi/2},
TrackedSymbols :> True][/CODE]
Ah, now it's clear to me. Thanks for the help.
 
Michael Price said:
Should that be BAQ, not BQA?
What is the difference?
 
ali PMPAINT said:
What is the difference?
The angle vertex is normally located at the middle letter
 

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