Why Does Apostol Include S Subset A in His Theorem on Set Complements?

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The discussion revolves around a theorem presented in Tom Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis" regarding the properties of closed and open sets, particularly focusing on the inclusion of the hypothesis that S is a subset of A. Participants explore the implications of this hypothesis in the context of set complements and definitions of closed sets.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of the hypothesis S ⊆ A in Apostol's theorem, suggesting that the proof still holds even if S is not entirely contained in A.
  • Another participant argues that while A - S can still be shown to be open, it does not allow for concluding that S is closed in A if S is not a subset of A.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the definition of "closed in A," noting that their book defines a closed subset as one that contains all its accumulation points.
  • There is a discussion about the equivalence of definitions regarding closed sets, with one participant asking if this equivalence is proven in the text.
  • Another participant provides an example to illustrate that a set can be closed in one context but not in another, such as [0, 1) being closed in (-2, 1) but not in R.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the definition of "closed" used in the book, indicating that it aligns with the definition of closed sets in E_1, and that the equivalence of closed sets and their complements being open is established in the text.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of the hypothesis S ⊆ A, with some suggesting it is essential for the theorem's conclusion while others believe the proof can still be valid without it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this hypothesis and the definitions of closed sets.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of closed sets and the assumptions made about the relationship between S and A. The equivalence of definitions and the implications of the theorem are not fully resolved.

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From page 45 of "Mathematical Analysis" by Tom Apostol:

3-17 Theorem. If S is closed, then the complement of S (relative to any open set containing S) is open. If S is open, then the complement of S (relative to any closed set containing S) is closed.

Proof. Assume [tex]S\subset A[/tex]. Then [tex]A-S=E_1-[S\cup(E_1-A)][/tex]. (The reader should verify this equation.) If S is closed and A is open, then [tex]E_1-A[/tex] is closed, [tex]S\cup(E_1-A)[/tex] is closed, [tex]A-S[/tex] is open. The converse is similarly proved.

Now I'll prove the part that Apostol leaves to the reader:

Given two subsets A and S of [tex]E_1[/tex], [tex]A-S=E_1-[S\cup (E_1-A)][/tex].

Proof: If [tex]x\in(A-S)[/tex], [tex]x\in A[/tex] and [tex]x\notin S[/tex]. Thus [tex]x\notin[S\cup(E_1-A)][/tex]. So [tex]x\in E_1-[S\cup (E_1-A)][/tex]. This proves that [tex]A-S\subset E_1-[S\cup(E_1-A)][/tex].

If [tex]x\in E_1-[S\cup(E_1-A)][/tex], [tex]x\in E_1[/tex] and [tex]x\notin [S\cup(E_1-A)][/tex]. Thus [tex]x\notin S[/tex] and [tex]x\notin(E_1-A)[/tex]. But since [tex]x\in E_1[/tex], this last relation implies [tex]x\in A[/tex]. So [tex]x\in(A-S)[/tex].

I can't see any part of this whole proof that depends on the fact that [tex]S\subset A[/tex]. Am I missing something? If not, why in the world would the author include that hypothesis?
 
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I think that, if S is not entirely inside A, the proof still works and you can still show that A - S is open. But A - S is not the complement of S in A so you can't conclude that S is closed in A. In other words, it doesn't prove your theorem.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "closed in A". My book defines a "closed" subset of [tex]E_1[/tex] as a subset that contains all its accumulation points.
 
OK, it looks here like they're using the definition: S is closed in A if it's complement in A is open. Is the equivalence of those two definitions proved somewhere?
 
Also, a set is closed in A if and only if it contains all of its accumulation points that are in A. for example, The set [0, 1) is NOT closed in R but it is closed in (-2,1).
 
Okay just to clarify, the book has defined "closed" to mean what apparently CompuChip would call "closed in [tex]E_1[/tex]". CompuChip: That is not the definition they're using, although they do prove that a set is closed if its complement is open and vice versa.
 

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