Why Does Electronegativity Decrease Down a Group?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electronegativity and its behavior down a group in the periodic table, particularly in relation to sodium (Na) and potassium (K) ions. Participants explore the implications of electronegativity on ion charge and membrane potential in neurons, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether higher electronegativity correlates with a more positive charge, citing confusion regarding Na and K ions in neuron cells.
  • Another participant clarifies that electronegativity relates to the attraction of shared electrons and is influenced by shielding and the number of electronic orbitals, rather than directly correlating to charge.
  • A participant poses a hypothetical scenario about measuring membrane potential with Na and K ions, seeking to understand which side would appear more positive.
  • Another participant notes that both Na+ and K+ ions have the same charge (+1), suggesting that charge alone does not determine the membrane potential.
  • A later reply indicates that the distribution of K+ and Na+ ions across the membrane leads to a net potential of -70 mV, implying a difference in ion concentration rather than charge alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electronegativity and charge, with some confusion remaining about the implications for membrane potential. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the concept of membrane potential or the specific mechanisms involved in ion movement across membranes, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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[SOLVED] Electronegativity Confusion

Homework Statement



Looking at the periodic chart and going down, the electronegativity goes down, ie Na = .9 and K = .8 From the definition electronegativity is the ability to attract electrons. So is that to say the more electronegative would actually be the more positively charged? I ask because I am getting confused with the K pump in a neuron cell. It seems as though the side that has more Na ions is more positive than the membrane side with K ions.
Could someone please help clarify?

Thanks




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electronegativity is not about how much positively charged a species is. It has to do with how much shielding there is on the nucleus of the species. Electronegativity is found across covalent bonds. It is the tendency with which an atom attracts a shared pair of electron towards itself.

The greater the number of electronic orbitals and the lesser the proton number, the lesser the electronegativity of the species.
 
So let me ask. If you had a Sodium atom on one side of a membrane, and a potassium on the other side, and were some how able to place a meter across each membrane, which side would read more positive? I am still trying to relate this to the membrane potential of a neuron.

Thanks
 
i've not yet done membrane potential for neurones... but from a physics point of view, and i am assuming you are talking about sodium and potassium ions, both species have the same charge, i.e +1 or both have a proton more than electrons. the sodium ion and the potassium ion have the same charge.
 
Ok, I think I got my answer. On one side of the membrane are K+ ions, the other side is Na+ ions. A potassium channel allows K+ ions to move freely between the membranes, until equillibrium of K+, so one side has more +1 ions than the other side, resulting in a net potential of -70 mv.
 

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