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The discussion explores the principle of stationary action and its significance in understanding physical systems. It highlights that the universe appears to follow optimal paths, which are the most statistically probable outcomes, as illustrated by the Feynman path integral formulation. The conversation delves into the relationship between mathematical formulations, such as differential equations, and physical laws, emphasizing that many physical concepts can be derived from first principles. The work-energy theorem is presented as a crucial link between force, energy, and the stationary action principle. Ultimately, the dialogue raises questions about the fundamental nature of these principles and whether deeper explanations exist.
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The principle of stationary action is very powerful...but why does it work? Why does the universe follow optimal paths?
I understand the principle of stationary action and why it is very powerful. However I'm trying to (at least qualitatively) understand why this principle works. I believe that, unlike theorems, principles are taken as true, and thus we just accept it. To me, this seems like a cop-out.


If we look at the Feynman path integral formulation we see that the system considers every path and the classical path taken/observed is the optimal path. But then that seems to beg the question, why does the universe follow optimal paths?


I suspect that statistical mechanics comes to play in that the optimal path of a system is the most statistically likely path?


My attempt at answering this question (after some research) is:


  • The universe and systems in the universe follow optimal outcomes because it is the most efficient. This can be seen via the Feynman path integral formulation where the evolution of systems/particles ‘consider’ every possible path but the path taken is the optimal path which corresponds to the classical path. In other words, the universe follows optimal paths because those paths are the most statistically dominant/probable/stable and because they manifest the underlying symmetries of physical laws.

Is this correct/accurate? Can this question even be answered on a fundamental level or is it one of those never ending "but why?" slides.
 
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Physics_Math_CS said:
or is it one of those never ending "but why?" slides.

This. Even with what you wrote:

Physics_Math_CS said:
In other words, the universe follows optimal paths because those paths are the most statistically dominant/probable/stable and because they manifest the underlying symmetries of physical laws.

there are couple of whys.
 
I would say that this is more math than anything. If you have laws of physics that can be expressed as a differential equation then you should be able to find some action for which that differential equation is the solution. I am sure there are some pathological differential equations that cannot be formulated as an action principle, but most well behaved ones can.
 
I'd like to start with some remarks about the general question of how we categorize our physics concepts into 'fundamental' and 'derivable-from-first-principles'. After that I will go into the stationary action concept specifically.



Two examples:

In the case of refraction of light there was initially Snell's law. Then Huygens proposed the theory that is now commonly known as 'Huygens' principle'. If you grant that light propagates as a wave phenomenon and that in a denser medium light propagates slower, then Snell's law follows as a theorem.

Entropy and Thermodynamics.
Initially entropy was used in a way that is independent of whether matter consists of atoms or not. Entropy was conceived in terms of bulk thermal properties of matter. The development of statistical mechanics moved the description of entropy to a deeper level.


Being able to move the description to a deeper level is progress. In that sense there is a hierarchy.

At any stage of development of physics the deepest available level consists of propositions that must be granted in order to formulate the theory at all. It would appear: there is no way of knowing in advance for which level of description no deeper level exists.

The level of description that is currently the deepest known level is what is referred to as 'first principles'.



Hamilton's stationary action

Hamilton's stationary action is stated in terms of kinetic energy and potential energy. We want to understand the relation with F=ma

There is a theorem that provides the connection between force and acceleration on one hand, and potential energy and kinetic energy on the other hand: the work-energy theorem.

In order to derive the work-energy theorem I first derive the kinematic relation that enables the work-energy theorem.

With:
##s## position coordinate
##v## velocity
##a## acceleration

In the course of the derivation the following relations will be used:
## ds = v \ dt \qquad (1) ##
## dv = a \ dt \qquad (2) ##

The integral for acceleration from a starting point ##s_0## to a final point ##s##
## \int_{s_0}^s a \ ds \qquad (3) ##

## \int_{t_0}^t a \ v \ dt \qquad (4) ##

## \int_{t_0}^t v \ a \ dt \qquad (5) ##

## \int_{v_0}^v v \ dv \qquad (6) ##

Overview of the above steps:
in going from (3) to (4) the differential was changed from ##ds## to ##dt##, in accordance with (1), with corresponding change of limits.
From (4) to (5) was a change of order.
From (5) to (6) the differential differential was changed from ##dt## to ##dv##, in accordance with (2), with corresponding change of limits.

So we have:
$$ \int_{s_0}^s a \ ds = \tfrac{1}{2}v^2 - \tfrac{1}{2}v_0^2 \qquad (7) $$

Note that (7) is a mathematical relation; it follows from (1) and (2).

To derive the work-energy theorem we start with the force-acceleration principle:

$$ F = ma \qquad (8) $$

Next: for both sides: specify integration with respect to position coordinate:

$$ \int_{s_0}^s F \ ds = \int_{s_0}^s ma \ ds \qquad (9) $$

We use (7) to process the right hand side of (9):

$$ \int_{s_0}^s F \ ds = \tfrac{1}{2}mv^2 - \tfrac{1}{2}mv_0^2 \qquad (10) $$

(10) is the work-energy theorem.

We have that potential energy is defined as the negative of the integral of force over distance.
$$ E_p = -\int_{s_0}^s F \ ds \qquad (11) $$
Hence:
$$ \Delta E_k = -\Delta E_p \qquad (12) $$

Of course, (11) is subject to the constraint that is is applicable only if the force that is involved has the property that the outcome of the integration is independent of how the motion proceeds from start point to end point. That is, in order for (11) to be a valid expression the force that is involved must be a conservative force.

Below is a group of three statements. I present these three statements as a unit to emphasize the tight interconnection; while the statements are different mathematically, the physics content of these three is the same.

$$ \begin{array}{rcl}
F & = & ma \\
\int_{s_0}^s F \ ds & = & \tfrac{1}{2}mv^2 - \tfrac{1}{2}mv_0^2 \\
-\Delta E_p & = & \Delta E_k
\end{array} $$

The work-energy theorem gives us the explanation for why we define kinetic energy as the quantity: ##\tfrac{1}{2}mv^2## The reason that the expression for kinetic energy features that factor ##\tfrac{1}{2}## is that the expression for kinetic energy is the result of an integration.


The work-energy theorem gives us the following constraint:
During motion the rate of change of kinetic energy must match the rate of change of potential energy. That is: the derivative of the kinetic energy must match the derivative of the potential energy.

Hamilton's stationary action expresses that: the true trajectory corresponds to a point in variation space such that the derivative of the kinetic energy matches the derivative of the potential energy.

At the point in variation space such that the derivative of the kinetic energy matches the derivative of the potential energy the derivative of Hamilton's action is zero.

The operation to evaluate Hamilton's action is differentiation with respect to variation.

The variation that is applied is exclusively variation of position coordinate. That is: differentiation with respect to variation is a form of differentiating with respect to position coordinate.

Now take a look at the Euler-Lagrange equation, in its form for classical mechanics. The operation that the Euler-Lagrange equation performs on the potential energy is straightforward: differentiation with respect to position coordinate.

So here we see a relation with the work-energy theorem.

To obtain the work-energy theorem: perform integration with respect to position coordinate.
The Euler-Lagrange equation (for classical mechanics) performs differentiation with respect to position coordinate.

As we know, we have the fundamantal theorem of Calculus: the operations of integration and differentiation are each other's inverse.

That relation is key to understanding Hamilton's stationary action.

(It's important to be aware that it was only around the 1850's that the physics community recognized the significance of the work-energy theorem. The definition of kinetic energy as ##\tfrac{1}{2}mv^2## dates from the 1850's. Hamilton's work was published in 1834, so Hamilton did not have the work-energy theorem to guide his understanding.)


I'm active on physics.stackexchange

In July of 2024 I went back to the earliest question physics stackexchange about Hamilton's stationary action, and I posted an answer with discussion of how to proceed from the work-energy theorem to Hamilton's stationary action.
 
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