Why doesn't my method for finding electric flux through a cube work?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric flux through the faces of a cube when a point charge is placed at its center. The original poster attempts to use both Gauss' Law and a direct integration approach to find the flux, leading to different results.

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  • Participants explore the application of Gauss' Law versus a direct integration method for calculating electric flux. Questions arise about the assumptions made regarding the distance from the charge to the cube's surface and the correct expression for the unit vector.

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Some participants have identified issues with the original approach, particularly regarding the assumption of constant distance and the definition of the unit vector. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the direct method can yield correct results, with guidance provided on normalizing the vector.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential limitations of using direct integration compared to Gauss' Law. There is an acknowledgment of the need for accurate definitions and assumptions in the calculations.

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A point charge Q is placed at the centre of a cube. What is the electric flux through each face of the cube.

ok so the answer is to say that since the cube is a closed surface, Gauss' Law tells us that the total flux through the cube is [itex]\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}[/itex] and then from symmetry 1/6 of that is through each face. so the final answer is [itex]\Phi=\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}[/itex].

I was wondering why i don't get the same answer when i do it this way:

set it up with cartesian coordinates. let's find the flux through the face with outward normal [itex]\vec{e_x}[/itex].

[itex]\vec{E}=\frac{Q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 (\frac{a}{4})^2} \vec{r}[/itex]

now [itex]\vec{r}=(\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}},\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}},\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}},)[/itex] and [itex]\vec{e_x}=(1,0,0)[/itex]
so [itex]\Phi=\int_S \vec{E} \cdot \vec{dA} = \frac{Q}{\pi \epsilon_0 a^2} \vec{r} \cdot \vec{e_x} \int_S dA = \frac{Q}{\pi \epsilon_0 a^2} \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} a^2[/itex]

which ends up as [itex]\Phi=\frac{Q}{\sqrt{3} \pi \epsilon_0}[/itex]

obviously the first way is much easier but surely it should be possible both ways?
 
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There are two problems that I can find:

  • The cube's surface is not a constant distance a/4 from the charge, as you appear to assume
  • The unit vector r^ is not (1/√3,1/√3,1/√3) everywhere on the surface.
 


ok yeah so i see now that its not a constant a/2 from each surface

what is [itex]\hat{\mathbf{r}}[/itex] then (i really should know this!)

is it possible to do this problem this way or is gauss' law the only way?
 


latentcorpse said:
ok yeah so i see now that its not a constant a/2 from each surface

what is [itex]\hat{\mathbf{r}}[/itex] then (i really should know this!)
The vector (x,y,z) points in the same direction as r^, everywhere. Normalize that vector, and you'll have r^.

is it possible to do this problem this way or is gauss' law the only way?
It should be possible, just not necessarily easy.
 


yeah so [itex]({x \over |x|},{y \over |y|},{z \over |z|})[/itex]

why doesn't the one i wrote earlier work though?
 


latentcorpse said:
yeah so [itex]({x \over |x|},{y \over |y|},{z \over |z|})[/itex]

Not quite, that vector just has components (±1,±1,±1). Try dividing by |r| instead of |x|, |y|, and |z|.

why doesn't the one i wrote earlier work though?
Not sure if this will help, but: the integral you're trying to do contains an r-hat term. What you wrote earlier is not equal to r-hat, therefore using it will give a wrong answer when you do the integral. (Or did I misunderstand your question here?)
 

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