Why Doesn't the Left Ring React in Birch Reduction?

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The discussion revolves around the Birch Reduction process and why the left ring in a specific compound does not react, particularly in the presence of a -CN (cyano) group. Participants explore the mechanisms and effects of electron donation and resonance structures in this context, with a focus on theoretical understanding and application of the reduction process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why the left ring does not react in Birch Reduction, referencing discrepancies between their understanding and the answer key.
  • One participant suggests that the -CN group has an electron-withdrawing effect, which may influence the reactivity of the rings.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of resonance structures to understand electronic distribution and how it affects the reaction.
  • There is a discussion about the first step of Birch Reduction involving the donation of an electron from a sodium atom, with some participants proposing that the ring attached to the -CN group would accept this electron due to its electron deficiency.
  • One participant admits to lacking knowledge about reductions but attempts to reason through the mechanism of Birch Reduction to solve the problem.
  • Another participant questions what reagent could be used to deliberately reduce the left ring, indicating uncertainty about available reducing agents.
  • Some participants speculate that there may not be a reducing agent capable of reducing the left ring while the -CN group is present, suggesting that a donor group might be necessary for such a reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the left ring's lack of reactivity or the appropriate reagents for its reduction. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the mechanisms and effects of the -CN group in the context of Birch Reduction.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the Birch Reduction process and the role of electron-withdrawing groups, indicating a need for further exploration of the mechanisms involved.

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I thought the answer should be this:
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But in the answer key, its something else. In the answer key, it is:
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I don't understand why the left ring doesn't react.
 
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What does -CN do?

HINT: Try making resonating structures involving -CN.
 
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AGNuke said:
What does -CN do?

It has an electron withdrawing effect.
 
AGNuke said:
HINT: Try making resonating structures involving -CN.

How will that help me here?
 
What's the first step of Birch Reduction? Donation of electron from Sodium Atom. If my memory serves right, I think those carbon atoms which suffers from shortage of electrons will be able to accept that electron, in this case, the ring attached to -CN group.

I said to try making the resonating structures to get yourself the idea of effective electronic distribution in the compound.

For your sake, this question I solved it via Mechanism. Reality is I didn't know Birch Reduction, or any reduction for God's sake. I was only able to attempt this question because I saw its Mechanism afterward.

Sodium atom is donating an electron, so try getting that electron accepted where -CN can exhibit its -M effect.
 
AGNuke said:
What's the first step of Birch Reduction? Donation of electron from Sodium Atom. If my memory serves right, I think those carbon atoms which suffers from shortage of electrons will be able to accept that electron, in this case, the ring attached to -CN group.

I said to try making the resonating structures to get yourself the idea of effective electronic distribution in the compound.

For your sake, this question I solved it via Mechanism. Reality is I didn't know Birch Reduction, or any reduction for God's sake. I was only able to attempt this question because I saw its Mechanism afterward.

Sodium atom is donating an electron, so try getting that electron accepted where -CN can exhibit its -M effect.

Okay, i get it, you mean that the electron would stay in the right ring most of the times during resonance and that's why the right ring reacts. Thanks! :smile:

But what if i deliberately wanted to reduce the left ring? Which reagent should i be using?
 
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Err... I meant the right ring is in electron debt due to -CN and that's why the lone electron from Sodium atom will be accepted by atoms bossed by -CN.

And another thing, you don't destroy aromaticity completely, especially when you are getting Benzene if you are given some workaround, in this case, electron withdrawing group.

Like I said, I don't know about Reduction. If I have to guess, then the reducing agent must be the one which do not donate the electron in the first step and has the capability to reduce alkenes.
 
AGNuke said:
Err... I meant the right ring is in electron debt due to -CN and that's why the lone electron from Sodium atom will be accepted by atoms bossed by -CN.
Sorry, i meant the same, i don't know what made me to write that. :redface:

I think i need to find the answer on my own for my self made question. :smile:
 
To the second question, I don't think there's a reducing agent capable of doing so. If you want to make the second compound, replace the -CN with donor group and re-replace it.
 
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AGNuke said:
To the second question, I don't think there's a reducing agent capable of doing so. If you want to make the second compound, replace the -CN with donor group and re-replace it.

Yes, that should do the trick, thanks! :smile:
 

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