Does the Sun's composition of hydrogen make it prone to explosion?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether the Sun's composition of hydrogen makes it prone to explosion, exploring concepts related to nuclear fusion, chemical reactions, and historical events like the Hindenburg disaster. The scope includes theoretical aspects of stellar physics and chemical properties of elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experiments with water electrolysis to demonstrate hydrogen's explosive properties and questions why the Sun, primarily composed of hydrogen, does not explode.
  • Another participant clarifies that helium is not reactive and emphasizes that the Sun's fusion process is in a stable equilibrium, preventing it from exploding despite the energy generated by fusion.
  • A participant reiterates the initial claim about the Sun's hydrogen composition and discusses the conditions required for chemical explosions, noting the lack of oxygen in the Sun and the high temperatures that prevent molecular formation.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake regarding the historical context of the Hindenburg disaster, correcting their earlier statement about the use of hydrogen versus helium.
  • A further clarification is made regarding the ignition of the Hindenburg, attributing the flames to the flammable fabric rather than hydrogen alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of explosions related to hydrogen and helium, with some clarifying misconceptions about chemical reactions in the context of the Sun. There is no consensus on the implications of the Sun's hydrogen composition regarding explosions.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the chemical properties of hydrogen and helium, the conditions necessary for explosions, and the stability of nuclear fusion in stars, but do not resolve the broader question of the Sun's behavior in relation to its composition.

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I've recreated one of the first experiments I did in Chemistry many times - Water electrolysis to split it into Hydrogen and Oxygen, and prove the existence of hydrogen with a burning splint that goes "pop" in the test tube. The Sun is a massive ball of hydrogen, that uses Nuclear fusion to turn it into Helium. Helium explodes; the Hindenburg proved it, and so does Hydrogen, so why doesn't the sun just explode?
 
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Oy.

The Hindenberg was filled with hydrogen, so it exploded when mixed with air (oxygen). Helium is not reactive.

The sun's fusion is at equilibrium. The more energy generated by fusion, the more the sun wants to fly apart, but if it flies apart it doesn't create enough pressure to create fusion. Some stars actually oscillate, expanding and contracting over and over, but in the main sequence they are in a stable equilibrium.
 
Nakisima said:
I've recreated one of the first experiments I did in Chemistry many times - Water electrolysis to split it into Hydrogen and Oxygen, and prove the existence of hydrogen with a burning splint that goes "pop" in the test tube. The Sun is a massive ball of hydrogen, that uses Nuclear fusion to turn it into Helium. Helium explodes; the Hindenburg proved it, and so does Hydrogen, so why doesn't the sun just explode?

A chemical explosion of the variety you are referring to is usually caused by something burning very quickly, which requires oxygen. There is only a small amount of oxygen in the sun (in comparison to hydrogen) so it would never actually manage to burn. Not the mention the fact that the sun itself is too hot for molecules to form as any chemical bonds formed would break immediatly. Also the Hindenburg Airship used Hydrogen for buoyancy not Helium, Helium is inert and hence doesn't burn.
 
russ_watters said:
Oy.

The Hindenberg was filled with hydrogen

My mistake, history was not my forte.
 
Nakisima said:
My mistake, history was not my forte.

Another point of history is that the great big flames from the Hindenberg were from the fabric coating the airship's structure - it was painted with highly flammable aluminum compounds. While the hydrogen did burn, the real trigger for the disaster was ignition of the fabric.
 

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