Why don't shooting stars make a noise?

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The discussion centers around the phenomenon of shooting stars, specifically addressing why they do not produce audible sounds, such as sonic booms, when entering Earth's atmosphere. Participants explore various aspects of this topic, including theoretical explanations, personal observations, and scientific hypotheses.

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  • Some participants assert that shooting stars do not create a sonic boom due to the distance from which observers typically view them.
  • Others propose that meteors traveling at high speeds could indeed generate a sonic boom, but the sound may not be heard due to atmospheric conditions and distance.
  • A participant mentions that some meteorites have been observed with accompanying sounds, raising questions about the conditions under which these sounds are produced.
  • There is a suggestion that ionized gas from meteors may generate sounds through interactions with the Earth's magnetic field, although this remains a hypothesis without definitive field measurements.
  • Several participants discuss the factors affecting sound propagation in the atmosphere, including air pressure, temperature, humidity, and sound frequency.
  • Personal accounts of witnessing meteors followed by sounds similar to thunder are shared, indicating variability in experiences and perceptions of sound associated with meteors.
  • One participant references the language of the Jaru people, which includes a term for the sound of sonic booms from meteors, suggesting cultural recognition of this phenomenon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether meteors produce audible sounds and the conditions under which these sounds might be heard. There is no consensus on the mechanisms involved or the reliability of personal accounts versus scientific explanations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding sound propagation related to meteors, including the effects of atmospheric conditions and the distance from the observer. Some claims about sound generation mechanisms remain speculative and lack empirical support.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals curious about meteor phenomena, sound propagation in the atmosphere, and the intersection of cultural interpretations with scientific observations.

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Pretty self explainable.

Why do they not create a sonic boom when they enter Earths atmosphere
 
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How do you know they don't ?

I would suspect that they do, considering they are traveling at 20km/s or greater
many times the speed of sound :)

the absence of hearing a sonic boom is not proof of the absence of a boom.
It just means you are too far away from the object to hear it. The majority of the meteors
you see burning up in the atmosphere are doing so at 50 - 75km altitude.

Sound doesn't travel very far through the atmosphere. Even the massive booms of thunder
only travel ~ 15 km max before they die out

cheers
Dave
 
interesting.
How do you know that they do?

Not saying i don't believe you, just curious.
 
Some meteorites have indeed been observed with an accompanying sound.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Some meteorites have indeed been observed with an accompanying sound.

Especially the ones that hit you.

shifty88 said:
interesting.
How do you know that they do?

Not saying i don't believe you, just curious.

A sonic boom creates sound that is no different from any other sound. If someone set off an explosive 15km away from you, there's a good chance you won't hear it unless it's a very powerful explosion (not to imply that a sonic boom is an explosion).
 
There seems to be another mechanism by which meteors can "make" noise as the ionized gas goes through the magnetic field it releases radio waves which can cause conductive metals on the ground to vibrate.

Wikipedia said:
Any sound generated by a meteor in the upper atmosphere, such as a sonic boom, should not be heard until many seconds after the meteor disappeared. However, in certain instances, for example during the Leonid meteor shower of 2001, several people reported sounds described as "crackling", "swishing", or "hissing"[18] occurring at the same instant as a meteor flare. Similar sounds have also been reported during intense displays of Earth's auroras.[19][20][21][22]

Sound recordings made under controlled conditions in Mongolia in 1998 by a team led by Slaven Garaj, a physicist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology at Lausanne, support the contention that the sounds are real.[23]

How these sounds could be generated, assuming they are in fact real, remains something of a mystery. It has been hypothesized by some scientists at NASA as that the turbulent ionized wake of a meteor interacts with the magnetic field of the Earth, generating pulses of radio waves. As the trail dissipates, megawatts of electromagnetic energy could be released, with a peak in the power spectrum at audio frequencies. Physical vibrations induced by the electromagnetic impulses would then be heard if they are powerful enough to make grasses, plants, eyeglass frames, and other conductive materials vibrate.[24][25][26][27] This proposed mechanism, although proven to be plausible by laboratory work, remains unsupported by corresponding measurements in the field.
 
Although meteors must generate sounds they pass through the atmosphere at very high velocity, as others here have already explained, it’s no surprise that we normally don’t hear it. Sound does not propagate in air for great distances. Both spherical spreading and absorption diminish the sound intensity. For absorption the following variables affect the distance sound can travel: Air Pressure, Ambient Air Temperature, Percent Relative Humidity, and Sound Frequency.

Since thunder also generates sound, and that sound must propagate through our atmosphere to be heard, it may be useful to investigate the physics of thunder sound propagation. Here are two sources that describe this:

1. Thunder is seldom heard beyond 10 miles (16 km) under ideal conditions. The sound of distant thunder has a characteristic low-pitched rumbling sound. Pitch, the degree of highness or lowness of a sound, is due to strong absorption and scattering of high-frequency components of the original sound waves, while the rumbling results from the fact that sound waves are emitted from different locations along the lightning channel, which lie at varying distances from a person. The longer the lightning channels, the longer the sound of thunder. Humans hear frequencies of thunder between 20-120 Hertz (Hz). However, there is a small amount, less than 10%, that is inaudible to humans produced from lightning, called infrasonic. Special listening devices are required to record these inaudible sounds.
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_info/thunder2.html

2. See the sections “Thunder sound propagation” at this site:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Engineering_Acoustics/Thunder_acoustics

Finally, here are some real examples of witnesses hearing the sound of a meteorite:

3. "Sounds Associated with Witnessed Meteorite Falls"
http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/sounds.html
 
Just thought I'd add my own eye witness account. One sunny day I was walking across an open field when I happened to look up at just the right time to see a bright meteor streak across the sky. The head was orange and the tail was blue. Before it disappeared it split into two meteors. Then about 30 to 60 seconds after it disappeared I heard a sound very similar to thunder. It did not sound so much like a sonic boom, just more like thunder.
 
TurtleMeister said:
...I heard a sound very similar to thunder. It did not sound so much like a sonic boom, just more like thunder.

That would be right and would be the same for a supersonic aircraft at a distance from you

just the same with the thunder from a close compared to a more distant lightning strike.
the close one a sharp loud crack, the more distant one a lower freq and longer rumble

Dave
 
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BTW, most meteors that we see tend to burn up very very high in the atmosphere, near the edge of space. The air is very tenuous up there - enough to create a shock and cause the meteor to burn up, but it carries sound poorly. So, not at all like thunder.
 
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The language of the Jaru people of Australia contains a word, "goolunmurru", that describes the sound and vibration of sonic booms from meteors or shooting stars.
 
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I saw the Space Shuttle re-enter once. I heard the sonic boom. IIRC, the delay was several minutes.
 
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At 5 seconds a mile, a meteor sonic boom 50 miles above you (neglecting variation in SoS w/ altitude) is going to take 250 seconds to reach you. How many folks seeing that are going to realize they have to wait that long to have a chance to hear the thud?
 

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