Why free neutrons are unstable?

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The discussion revolves around the instability of free neutrons outside the nucleus, exploring the reasons for their decay and the differences in behavior between free and bound neutrons. Participants examine the implications of conservation laws and thermodynamic favorability in the context of nuclear decay.

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  • Some participants note that free neutrons decay because they are not forbidden to decay by any conservation laws, with the decay producing a proton, electron, and antineutrino.
  • Others argue that just because a decay is not forbidden does not mean it must occur, emphasizing the need for thermodynamic favorability in reactions.
  • A participant questions the difference in neutron behavior inside versus outside the nucleus, suggesting that the energy released in decay may not be sufficient to overcome binding energy in stable nuclei.
  • It is mentioned that the half-life of free neutrons is consistent, but varies for neutrons within different nuclei.
  • Some participants discuss the conditions under which reactions occur, noting that reactions that are not forbidden can still happen extremely rarely or not at all under certain conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of conservation laws and thermodynamic favorability, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the behavior of neutrons in different contexts.

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There are unresolved questions about the specific conditions that lead to neutron decay in free versus bound states, as well as the role of binding energy in nuclear stability.

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Outside the nucleus, free neutrons are unstable and have a mean lifetime of 885.7±0.8 s (about 14 minutes, 46 seconds). why??
 
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Why not?
There is a possible decay, as a proton (plus an electron and a neutrino) is lighter and all conservation laws are satisfied in the decay.
 
Are you asking why the free neutron is unstable, or why the mean lifetime has that particular value?
 
Free neutrons decay because they're not forbidden to decay by any conservation laws.

The mass of a neutron is greater than the sum of the masses of the proton, electron, and antineutrino that are produced in the decay. The energy associated with the extra mass becomes the kinetic energy of the decay products. So energy conservation doesn't forbid it.

The proton and neutron each have baryon number +1. So baryon number conservation doesn't forbid it.

The electron has lepton number +1 and the antineutrino has lepton number -1. So lepton number conservation doesn't forbid it.
 
jtbell said:
Free neutrons decay because they're not forbidden to decay by any conservation laws.

Perhaps I am missing something, but I find this statement slightly strange (or misleading/confusing).

Just because something is not forbidden doesn't mean it has to occur. Reaction (I am thinking in terms of chemistry, but they are not much different on a general level) has to be thermodynamically favorable.

So if the reaction is not forbidden and thermodynamically favorable (if I understand correctly this part was covered by mfb - mass of products is lower that the mass of neutron), the real question is - why it doesn't happen in nuclei, but only for isolated neutrons?
 
I think the OP is asking why neutrons behave differently outside the nucleus as distinct from inside the nucleus. All neutrons have the same half life for beta decay when they are free and outside the nucleus but not so when they are inside the nucleus,the half lives being different for different nuclei.
 
Borek said:
why it doesn't happen in nuclei, but only for isolated neutrons?

With nuclear decay, what matters is not the difference in mass between neutron and proton, but instead the difference in mass between the initial and final nuclei.

Another way to put it: in stable nuclei, the energy released by ##n \rightarrow p + e^- + \bar \nu## is not enough to make up the difference in binding energy between the initial and final nuclei.

Similarly, for a free proton, ##p \rightarrow n + e^+ + \nu## is not allowed because of energy conservation, but some nuclei do decay via that process.
 
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Borek said:
Just because something is not forbidden doesn't mean it has to occur. Reaction (I am thinking in terms of chemistry, but they are not much different on a general level) has to be thermodynamically favorable.
Every reaction that is not forbidden happens at finite temperatures - sometimes it happens extremely rare (up to "probably not within the lifetime of the universe"), or the opposite reaction happens more often, but it happens.

So if the reaction is not forbidden and thermodynamically favorable (if I understand correctly this part was covered by mfb - mass of products is lower that the mass of neutron), the real question is - why it doesn't happen in nuclei, but only for isolated neutrons?
It is forbidden inside some nuclei, because there the neutrons and protons have a different energy.
 
mfb said:
Every reaction that is not forbidden happens at finite temperatures - sometimes it happens extremely rare (up to "probably not within the lifetime of the universe"), or the opposite reaction happens more often, but it happens.

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Yeah, Murphy's Law for neutron decay: "If it can happen it will happen." ;))

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