Why hasnt been artificial satellites torn apart?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why artificial satellites do not break apart when they are within the Roche limit of Earth. Participants explore the concepts of tensile strength, gravitational forces, and the conditions under which satellites can maintain their integrity in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether artificial satellites revolve inside the Roche limit and why they do not break apart, indicating a beginner's curiosity.
  • Another participant suggests that information can be found in Wikipedia articles about the Roche limit, implying that existing resources may provide answers.
  • There is a discussion about tensile strength being a factor in why objects do not explode in vacuums, with a focus on whether gas pressure is necessary for such explosions.
  • Some participants argue that tensile strength is crucial for satellites to survive within the Roche limit, citing examples of natural satellites like Jupiter's moon Metis and Saturn's moon Pan, which are held together by tensile strength rather than gravitational forces alone.
  • A later reply elaborates that the Roche limit describes the point at which a rubble pile would be torn apart by gravitational forces, contrasting it with the structural integrity of rocky asteroids and metallic artificial satellites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the factors contributing to the stability of satellites within the Roche limit, particularly regarding the role of tensile strength versus gravitational forces. The discussion does not reach a consensus on whether tensile strength alone is sufficient to explain the phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the definitions of tensile strength and gravitational forces, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these concepts or their implications for artificial satellites.

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Do you think that the artificial satellites of Earth revolve inside the Roche limit? If
inside, why are they not breaking apart? Are there any specific reasons?


Sorry if am asking sill doubts but pls answer me as am really a Beginner :)
 
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Google and wikipedia are your friends. The answer is in the wikipedia article on the Roche limit.
 
Aww, was going to reply. Let's see if pranathi can figure it out from the wiki article though.
 
Interesting - is tensile strength also the main reason why objects don't explode in vacuums?
 
Simfish said:
Interesting - is tensile strength also the main reason why objects don't explode in vacuums?

Only if there is gas inside the object. Otherwise it won't want to explode, as there is no force putting pressure on the inside. It doesn't take that much strength to keep about 1 atmosphere pressurized in space. A common household air compressor would be overkill if that's all you wanted to do. What's more important is that the object has the strength to survive launch and manuevering.
 
Nabeshin said:
Aww, was going to reply. Let's see if pranathi can figure it out from the wiki article though.

Some real satellites, both natural and artificial, can orbit within their Roche limits because they are held together by forces other than gravitation. Jupiter's moon Metis and Saturn's moon Pan are examples of such satellites, which hold together because of their tensile strength.

:shy: This is what I could get from wiki...So is the tensile strength alone, reason for this or are there any other factors? Can you please give me in brief , sir :)
 
pranathi said:
Some real satellites, both natural and artificial, can orbit within their Roche limits because they are held together by forces other than gravitation. Jupiter's moon Metis and Saturn's moon Pan are examples of such satellites, which hold together because of their tensile strength.

:shy: This is what I could get from wiki...So is the tensile strength alone, reason for this or are there any other factors? Can you please give me in brief , sir :)
Tensile strength is all that is needed to explain why satellites can orbit within their Roche limits. The Roche limit describes the point at which a rubble pile will be torn apart. All that holds a rubble pile together is gravitation itself, and gravity is a very weak force.

Imagine astronauts taking trips to a rubble pile versus a rocky asteroid of more or less the same mass and density. Escape velocity from an asteroid is very, very low. The astronauts will have to take care not to jump to hard lest they jump right off. An astronaut on a rubble pile could pick up one of the little rocks that form the rubble pile and give it a toss that puts it on an escape trajectory. Astronauts could do the same on a rocky asteroid, but first they would have to chip off a piece of the asteroid. Rocky asteroids are bound together chemically as well as gravitationally.

Put that rubble pile in orbit about a planet within the Roche limit and gravity gradient from the planet's gravity field will tear the rubble pile apart. It would take a lot more effort to tear apart a rocky asteroid, and even more to tear apart a metallic artificial satellite.
 
Umm... thank you Sir :)
 

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