Why is it difficult to stain dormant bacteria with Nucleic acid dyes?

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The discussion centers on the challenges of staining dormant bacteria with nucleic acid dyes, specifically focusing on the factors that may contribute to the observed difficulties in staining during the lag phase of bacterial growth. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental observations, and references to existing literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the complex 3D structure of DNA, the presence of DNA binding proteins, or low material transport efficiency in bacteria may hinder staining with nucleic acid dyes like SYTO9/SYBR Green Ⅰ.
  • One participant references an article that discusses membrane permeability as a factor affecting staining efficiency in inactive bacteria.
  • Another participant notes that methods attempted to increase membrane permeability had little effect on the staining efficiency of inactive bacteria.
  • It is mentioned that actively dividing bacteria may contain significantly more DNA per cell compared to dormant bacteria, which could influence staining results.
  • A participant raises a question about whether the density of DNA and its binding proteins in dormant bacteria affects the affinity between DNA and nucleic acid dyes.
  • There are inquiries about whether the dye manufacturer has been consulted regarding these issues and whether other DNA dyes exhibit similar effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that dormant bacteria exhibit less staining efficiency with nucleic acid dyes, but multiple competing views regarding the underlying reasons remain unresolved. The discussion includes differing observations about staining in actively dividing bacteria.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential dependence on specific definitions of "dormant" and "actively dividing," as well as unresolved questions about the mechanisms affecting dye binding and membrane permeability.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and practitioners in microbiology, particularly those studying bacterial growth phases and nucleic acid staining techniques.

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The correlation between bacterial physiological activity and Nucleic acid staining (SYTO) efficiency?
I found that it's difficult to stain dormant bacteria or bacteria in lag phase with Nucleic acid dye like SYTO9/SYBR Green Ⅰ, does anyone know why?
DNA 3D structure too complex? DNA binding protein too much? Low material transport efficiency in bacteria? Or anyother factors?
Is there any research about this?
 
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jim mcnamara said:
This article agrees with your assessment of less staining for inactive bacteria.
https://academic.oup.com/femsec/article/29/4/319/526255
The authors mention membrane permeability.
@Ygggdrasil may have more information.
I have try some methods to increase membrane permeability, the result shows that few effect on staining efficiency to inactive bacteria.
 
Actively dividing bacteria are replicating their DNA and could have 2x or more DNA/cell than dormant bacteria that are not replicating.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
Actively dividing bacteria are replicating their DNA and could have 2x or more DNA/cell than dormant bacteria that are not replicating.
But as what I observe in my experiment,there are a lot of bacteria in dividing phase couldn't be stained by SYTO13,and what I wonder is whether the DNA structure or I should say the density of DNA and its binding protein in dormant bacteria greatly effect the affinity between DNA and nucleic dye?
 
Have you asked the dye manufacturer?
Do other DNA dyes have the same effect?
 
BillTre said:
Have you asked the dye manufacturer?
Do other DNA dyes have the same effect?
YES,I almost buy all the DNA dyes of Thermo Fisher.
 

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