Why Is My Integrating Factor Not Solving the Exact ODE?

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The discussion centers around the challenges faced in solving an exact ordinary differential equation (ODE) using an integrating factor. Participants explore the derivation of the integrating factor and its application to the original equation, as well as the implications of their calculations.

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  • One participant presents the ODE and their attempt to find an integrating factor, expressing uncertainty about their calculations.
  • Another participant points out a mistake in the simplification of the integrating factor, clarifying that \((1+x)^{-3}\) is not equal to \(1 + \frac{1}{x^3}\), but rather \(\frac{1}{(1+x)^3}\).
  • A third participant questions the reliability of Wolfram Alpha's output regarding the distribution of the integrating factor.
  • A later reply asks for clarification on the meaning of "distribute" in the context of the previous discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the integrating factor and its simplification. There is no consensus on the resolution of the problem, as participants are still exploring the implications of their calculations.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration process and the application of the integrating factor. The discussion reflects uncertainty in the simplification of expressions and the interpretation of computational tools.

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I'm not sure where I'm going wrong on this one so I hoped that I could find some help

we begin with
[itex](x^2 + y^2 + 5) dx - (y+xy) dy[/itex]

taking both partial derivitives I found that

[itex]2y (dy) =/ -y(dx)[/itex]

Next I went to find my factor of integration using [itex]e^(My - Nx / N) dx)[/itex]This got me [itex]((1+x)^-3)[/itex]

which i then simplified to [itex](1 + 1/x^3)[/itex]Then i multiplied our I.F. through the original M and N, but the problem still did not come out to be equal

our new partial derivitives of m and n are:

[itex]((2y/x^3)(dy) =/ ((3y/x^4) + (2y/x^3) - (y))(dx))[/itex]Sorry I couldn't figure out how to display notequal with itex.. anyways thanks in advance for any help
 
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ozone said:
I'm not sure where I'm going wrong on this one so I hoped that I could find some help

we begin with
[itex](x^2 + y^2 + 5) dx - (y+xy) dy[/itex]

taking both partial derivitives I found that

[itex]2y (dy) =/ -y(dx)[/itex]

Next I went to find my factor of integration using [itex]e^(My - Nx / N) dx)[/itex]


This got me [itex]((1+x)^-3)[/itex]

which i then simplified to [itex](1 + 1/x^3)[/itex]
Well, that's a problem! [itex](1+x)^{-3}[/itex] is NOT equal to
[tex]1+ \frac{1}{x^3}[/tex]
It is, rather,
[tex]\frac{1}{(1+ x)^3}[/tex]


Then i multiplied our I.F. through the original M and N, but the problem still did not come out to be equal

our new partial derivitives of m and n are:

[itex]((2y/x^3)(dy) =/ ((3y/x^4) + (2y/x^3) - (y))(dx))[/itex]


Sorry I couldn't figure out how to display notequal with itex.. anyways thanks in advance for any help
 
What do you think "distribute" means there?
 

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