Why is my solution for part b) of the geometric series question incorrect?

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The discussion revolves around a geometric series problem, specifically focusing on the solution for part b) of the question. Participants are examining the conditions under which the series converges and the implications of starting the summation at different indices. The conversation includes elements of mathematical reasoning and clarification of concepts related to probability distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the correct approach to part b) of the geometric series question, particularly regarding the starting index of the summation.
  • There is a proposal that the value of c is computed from the relation $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{X} (n) = 1$, leading to $c = \frac{1 - a^{2}}{a^{2}}$.
  • Participants question why the summation starts at $n=1$ instead of $n=0$, with some suggesting that $p_{X}(0) = 0$ may be a reason for this choice.
  • Others point out that if $p_X(x) = c a^{2x}$, then $p_X(0) = c$, leading to further confusion about the implications for the series.
  • One participant mentions the definition of the probability density function (PDF) for the discrete variable X, emphasizing that X may take values starting from 1 and not 0.

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Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the starting point of the summation in the context of the problem. However, there remains disagreement and confusion regarding the implications of this choice and the nature of the PDF, indicating that the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the series and the definitions of the probability density function. The dependence on specific values of a and the conditions under which the series converges are also not fully explored.

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Please refer to the attached sheet.
I need help with part b)

for part
a)
I did:
$\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty} a^n = \frac{1}{1-a}$
So for

$\sum\limits_{x=0}^{\infty} a^{2x}$
$a^{2x} = (a^2)^x$
and

$\sum\limits_{x=0}^{\infty} (a^2)^x = \frac{1}{1-a^2}$
for part b)
the solutions say i am wrong.

I did this:

$c$ $\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty} a^n = \frac{c}{1-a} = 1$
therefore
$c = 1-a^2$ (from part a)

The answer is not this. Solutions are:$\sum\limits_{x=1}^{\infty} c(a^2)^x = 1$
$ ...$
$c = \frac{a^{2x}(1-a^2)}{a^2}$

Why do we begin from $x=1$ and not $x=0$ when summing this series? Is this always the case for these questions? How do I solve part b?
 

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nacho said:
Please refer to the attached sheet.
I need help with part b)

for part
a)
I did:
$\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty} a^n = \frac{1}{1-a}$
So for

$\sum\limits_{x=0}^{\infty} a^{2x}$
$a^{2x} = (a^2)^x$
and

$\sum\limits_{x=0}^{\infty} (a^2)^x = \frac{1}{1-a^2}$
for part b)
the solutions say i am wrong.

I did this:

$c$ $\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty} a^n = \frac{c}{1-a} = 1$
therefore
$c = 1-a^2$ (from part a)

The answer is not this. Solutions are:$\sum\limits_{x=1}^{\infty} c(a^2)^x = 1$
$ ...$
$c = \frac{a^{2x}(1-a^2)}{a^2}$

Why do we begin from $x=1$ and not $x=0$ when summing this series? Is this always the case for these questions? How do I solve part b?

Using the n instead of the x we have...

$\displaystyle p_{X}(n) = c\ a^{2\ n},\ 0 < a < 1,\ n = 1,2,...\ (1)$

The value of c is computed from the basic relation...

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{X} (n) = 1 \implies c = \frac{1 - a^{2}}{a^{2}}\ (2)$

The mean value is...

$\displaystyle \mu_{X} = c\ \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} n\ a^{2 n} = \frac{1}{1-a^{2}}\ (3)$

Are You able to proceed computing variance?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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I can find variance.

This is what I don't understand though.

The value of c is computed from the basic relation...

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{X} (n) = 1 \implies c = \frac{1 - a^{2}}{a^{2}}\ $

Why do we some from $n=1$ and not $n=0$ ? If I had a different series, would I take the same approach?
 
nacho said:
I can find variance.

This is what I don't understand though.

The value of c is computed from the basic relation...

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} p_{X} (n) = 1 \implies c = \frac{1 - a^{2}}{a^{2}}\ $

Why do we some from $n=1$ and not $n=0$ ? If I had a different series, would I take the same approach?

The definition seems to indicate that $p_{X} (0) = 0$ so that the series starts from n=1. The variance can be found first computing... $\displaystyle E \{ X^{2}\} = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} n^{2}\ p_{X} (n) = c \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} n^{2} a^{2 n} = \frac{1 + a^{2}}{(1 - a^{2})^{2}}\ (1)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle \sigma_{X}^{2} = E \{ X^{2}\} - E^{2} \{ X \} = \frac{a^{2}}{(1 - a^{2})^{2}}\ (2)$ Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
The definition seems to indicate that $p_{X} (0) = 0$ so that the series starts from n=1.

Although,
if $p_X(x)$ = $c a^{2x}$
Doesn't $p_X(0) = c$ ?
and $ c \neq 0$
I still don't understand.
 
nacho said:
Although,
if $p_X(x)$ = $c a^{2x}$
Doesn't $p_X(0) = c$ ?
and $ c \neq 0$
I still don't understand.

The PDF of the discrete variable X is defined as...

$\displaystyle p_{X} (n) = c\ a^{2 n},\ 0 < a < 1,\ n=1,2,... \ (1)$

... and that means that X may be equal to 1,2,... but not equal to 0...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
The PDF of the discrete variable X is defined as...

$\displaystyle p_{X} (n) = c\ a^{2 n},\ 0 < a < 1,\ n=1,2,... \ (1)$

... and that means that X may be equal to 1,2,... but not equal to 0...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

wow thank you, i can't believe i missed that...

(Doh)
 

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