Why is subatomic behavior quantized instead of continuous?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why subatomic behavior is quantized rather than continuous. Participants explore various theories and concepts related to this phenomenon, including wave/particle duality and the implications of quantum mechanics. The conversation touches on theoretical explanations, observations, and the nature of scientific inquiry in understanding these behaviors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that quantization is simply a fundamental aspect of nature, with no deeper explanation possible.
  • Others propose that the wave/particle duality of matter leads to quantized energy levels, as electrons behave like waves and must exist in integer multiples to form standing waves.
  • One participant emphasizes that the quantization of energy is a result of the simple laws governing waves in the subatomic world.
  • There are repeated inquiries into the reasons behind the necessity of integer multiples for electron waves to create standing waves, indicating a desire for deeper understanding.
  • Some participants reference historical scientific insights, such as those from Niels Bohr, to support their claims about electron behavior and energy quantization.

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Participants express a range of views on the reasons behind quantization, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the role of wave/particle duality, while others question the adequacy of this explanation and seek further clarification on the underlying reasons.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the question and the limitations of current understanding, with some acknowledging that deeper inquiries may lead to further "why" questions without definitive answers.

Forestman
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I understand that this is probably one of those big questions that no body has an answer too, but I felt that it would not hurt to ask.

Why is the world on the subatomic scale quantized. Why does it just not behave by exchanging matter and energy in a continuous way, instead of by way of quantized units?

Does string theory have an answer for this?
 
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I don't think there is an answer possible. It just is the way it is. Even if a more fundamental theory could somehow say why things are quantized, you'd just have another "why?".
 
Thanks Pengwuino.
 
I believe energy is quantized because of the wave/particle duality of matter. Zoom out too much, everything appears to be made of solid particles moving continuously. Zoom in too much, and everything turns into probability waves, with electrons following wave patterns around atoms.
Waves always exist in integer multiples, and energy levels in atoms are directly related to this.
 
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falcon32 said:
I believe energy is quantized because of the wave/particle duality of matter. Zoom out too much, everything appears to be made of solid particles moving continuously. Zoom in too much, and everything turns into probability waves, with electrons following wave patterns around atoms.
Waves always exist in integer multiples, and energy levels in atoms are directly related to this.

This is really more of an observation and deduction, not so much a "why".
 
falcon32 said:
I believe energy is quantized because of the wave/particle duality of matter. Zoom out too much, everything appears to be made of solid particles moving continuously. Zoom in too much, and everything turns into probability waves, with electrons following wave patterns around atoms.
Waves always exist in integer multiples, and energy levels in atoms are directly related to this.
And why is that?
 
bp_psy said:
And why is that?

For example, the electron waves around the nucleus have to be integer multiples in order to create a standing wave. In areas that they cannot do this electrons do not form orbitals.

Sometimes an observation does answer why.
 
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bp_psy said:
And why is that?

Because thousands of scientists have experimentally determined that we are indeed observing a wave/particle duality in the behavior of matter.

http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch6/bohr.html

The above website from Purdue University explains a bit more if you are interested in reading. Note that photons have energy levels determined by integer multiples...
 
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Forestman said:
For example, the electron waves around the nucleus have to be integer multiples in order to create a standing wave. In areas that they cannot do this electrons do not form orbitals. .

Why do electron waves have to be integer multiples in order to create standing waves? It maybe answers your 'why' question but my 'why' question is different.:-p

@falcon32
The question is not 'what' is observed it is 'why' it is observed.
 
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The question was, "Why is the world on the subatomic scale quantized?" Why is energy quantized instead of continuous?

Energy on the subatomic scale is quantized because electrons, quarks, protons, etc, all have the very odd property of behaving like waves. Since electromagnetic energy (as I posted above) is simply particles like electrons emitting waves, we have the answer.

The energy in the subatomic atomic world is quantized because the subatomic world operates according to the very simple laws of waves.

This is why. It is not complicated at all.
 
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bp_psy said:
Why do electron waves have to be integer multiples in order to create standing waves? It maybe answers your 'why' question but my 'why' question is different.:-p

@falcon32
The question is not 'what' is observed it is 'why' it is observed.

I learned the "why" in the first few weeks of my basic physics class at college. You see, if electrons did not travel around nuclei in standing waves, they would spiral into the nucleus and cease to exist, all the while emitting continuous radiation. This is because protons and electrons attract each other. The only way to get an electron to keep from following a death spiral into the proton, strangely enough, was to force it to travel with a wavelike pattern around the nucleus. The spectrum of hydrogen confirmed this theory!

Really science has known 'why' for years, thanks to the thinking of Niels Bohr. Now we have advanced to different questions, like 'is there a particle called a graviton?"
 

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