Why is T(1)=2 in the matrix of a linear mapping?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the matrix representation of a linear mapping T defined on polynomials in P_3. Participants are examining the specific evaluations of T at various basis elements, particularly why T(1) equals 2, and clarifying the expressions involved in the mapping.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the result T(1)=2, seeking clarification on how this value is derived.
  • Another participant explains that substituting p(t)=1 into the definition of T leads to T(1)=1+0+1=2, clarifying the contributions of each term.
  • Some participants discuss the notation used for polynomials, suggesting that using different symbols might reduce confusion between constants and polynomial functions.
  • There is a debate about the interpretation of T(t) and how to properly evaluate it, with one participant arguing that T(t) should be evaluated similarly to T(1).
  • One participant proposes a different notation for basis vectors to avoid confusion between numerical values and polynomial functions.
  • Several participants reiterate the evaluations of T at different basis elements, including T(t)=1+t and T(t^2)=2t+t^2, while questioning the clarity of the notation used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the evaluations of T at various basis elements, but there is disagreement regarding the clarity of notation and the interpretation of the mapping. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to express these concepts without confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion arising from the dual use of symbols for both numerical values and polynomial functions, which may affect clarity in understanding the mapping.

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Hi, I have the following problem that is solved, but I get lost at one step and cannot find how to do it in the notes. I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me where my teacher gets the result from.

The problem says:

"Find the matrix of linear mapping [itex]T:P_3 → P_3[/itex] defined by

[itex](Tp)(t)=p(t)+p'(t)+p(0)[/itex]

with respect to the basis {[itex]1,t,t^2,t^3[/itex]} of [itex]P_3[/itex]. Deduce that, given [itex]q \in P_3[/itex], there exists [itex]p \in P_3[/itex] such that
[itex]q(t)=p(t)+p'(t)+p(0)[/itex]."

And I get lost here... It says:

"We have

[itex]T(1)=2[/itex]
[itex]T(t)=1+t[/itex]
[itex]T(t^2)=2t+t^2[/itex]
[itex]T(t^3)=3t^2+t^3[/itex]"

So I don't know why it says [itex]T(1)=2[/itex]... I think [itex]T(t)=1+t[/itex] because it is the derivative of t plus t, and [itex]T(t^2)[/itex] is the derivative of [itex]t^2[/itex] plus [itex]t^2[/itex]... But why T(1)=2?

Thanks a lot!
 
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I think this would be clearer written slightly differently.

[tex]T[p(t)] = p(0) + \frac{dp}{dt} + p(t)[/tex]

When you say [itex]T(1)[/itex], you substitute [itex]p(t) = 1[/itex] into the above. Clearly, then, [itex]p(0) = 1[/itex] because [itex]p(t) = 1[/itex] for any [itex]t[/itex]. That takes care of the first and last terms. The derivative is zero because [itex]p[/itex] is a constant.

In short, you get

[tex]T(1) = 1 + 0 + 1 = 2[/tex]
 
T takes polynomials to polynomials, so when he writes T(1), 1 denotes a polynomial. The only polynomial that it makes sense to denote by 1 is the function that takes every real number to 1. It might be less confusing to denote it by a symbol like I instead. Then for all real numbers t, we have ##(T(I))(t)=I(t)+I'(t)+I(0)=1+0+1##, as Muphrid has already said. So T(I) is the polynomial that takes every real number t to 2. In this context, it seems to be standard to denote this polynomial by 2.

Muphrid said:
I think this would be clearer written slightly differently.

[tex]T[p(t)] = p(0) + \frac{dp}{dt} + p(t)[/tex]
I think this notation is worse, because now it looks like T is acting on the real number p(t) instead of on the polynomial p.
 
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juanma101285 said:
I think [itex]T(t)=1+t[/itex] because it is the derivative of t plus t,
I don't understand this argument. To find T(t), you need to do something similar to what I did above.

Here t denotes the identity map on the set of real numbers, i.e. the function that takes every real number to itself. If we use this notation, then for all real numbers s, we have
##(T(t))(s)=t(s)+t'(s)+t(0)=s+1+0##. So T(t) is the polynomial that takes s to 1+s. In this notation, that polynomial is denoted by 1+t.

This problem shows how confusing it can be to use notations like t2 both for a number (the square of the number t) and a function (the function that takes every real number to its square). I would prefer to use a different notation for the basis vectors, for example ##\{e_1,e_2,e_3,e_4\}## instead of ##\{1,t,t^2,t^3\}##, where the ##e_i## are defined by
##e_1(s)=1## for all s.
##e_2(s)=s## for all s.
...and so on.

Now what the problem writes as T(1) and T(t) can be written as ##Te_0## and ##Te_1## respectively, and for all ##t\in\mathbb R##,
##Te_1(t)=e_1(t)+e_1'(0)+e_1(0)=1+0+1=2=2(e_1(t))=(2e_1)(t),##
##Te_2(t)=e_2(t)+e_2'(0)+e_2(0)=t+1+0=e_2(t)+e_1(t)=e_1(t)+e_2(t)=(e_1+e_2)(t)##.

Since this holds for all t, we have ##Te_1=2e_1## and ##Te_2=e_1+e_2##.

Can you do ##T(t^2)## and ##T(t^3)## now? You can stick to the t^something notation if it doesn't confuse you, but then you will have to write weird things like ##{t^2}'(s)=2s##.
 
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juanma101285 said:
Hi, I have the following problem that is solved, but I get lost at one step and cannot find how to do it in the notes. I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me where my teacher gets the result from.

The problem says:

"Find the matrix of linear mapping [itex]T:P_3 → P_3[/itex] defined by

[itex](Tp)(t)=p(t)+p'(t)+p(0)[/itex]

with respect to the basis {[itex]1,t,t^2,t^3[/itex]} of [itex]P_3[/itex]. Deduce that, given [itex]q \in P_3[/itex], there exists [itex]p \in P_3[/itex] such that
[itex]q(t)=p(t)+p'(t)+p(0)[/itex]."

And I get lost here... It says:

"We have

[itex]T(1)=2[/itex]
[itex]T(t)=1+t[/itex]
[itex]T(t^2)=2t+t^2[/itex]
[itex]T(t^3)=3t^2+t^3[/itex]"

So I don't know why it says [itex]T(1)=2[/itex]
The derivative of the polynomial p(t)= 1 (for all t) is 0 so p(t)+ p'(t)+ p(0)= 1+ 0+ 1= 2.

... I think [itex]T(t)=1+t[/itex] because it is the derivative of t plus t,
More precisely p(t)+ p'(t)+ p(0)= t+ 1+ 0= t+ 1

and [itex]T(t^2)[/itex] is the derivative of [itex]t^2[/itex] plus [itex]t^2[/itex]...
Again, [itex]p(t)+ p'(t)+ p(0)= t^2+ 2t+ 0= t^2+ 2t[/itex]
But why T(1)=2?

Thanks a lot!
 

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