Why is the absolute value of 16 not equal to 4?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of square roots and absolute values, specifically addressing the question of why the absolute value of 16 is not equal to 4. Participants explore the implications of these mathematical concepts, including the behavior of square roots with negative numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why ##\sqrt{16} ≠ |4|##, suggesting a misunderstanding of the relationship between square roots and absolute values.
  • Another participant asserts that the absolute value of 4 is indeed 4, indicating that absolute value is primarily relevant when dealing with negative numbers.
  • Concerns are raised about the expression ##\sqrt{x^2}## not being equal to x, with a participant questioning the validity of this statement.
  • Some participants argue that when x is negative, ##\sqrt{x^2} = -x##, leading to confusion about the square root of negative numbers.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4##, with conflicting responses regarding its validity.
  • One participant insists that ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4## based on exponent rules, while others counter that this interpretation is incorrect and that the square root should yield a positive result.
  • Another participant clarifies that the properties of exponents apply only to nonnegative numbers, reinforcing the idea that ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = +4##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of square roots and absolute values, with multiple competing views on the validity of certain mathematical statements. The discussion remains unresolved as participants challenge each other's reasoning.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of square roots and absolute values, as well as the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the arguments presented.

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If ##\sqrt{x^2} = |x|##, why ##\sqrt{16} ≠ |4|## instead of 4 (please see below image)?

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The absolute value of 4 is indeed 4. The absolute value is only important when x is negative.
 
I mean if ##\sqrt{16} = 4## why ##\sqrt{x^2}## is not x?
 
Because when x is negative, ##\sqrt{x^2} = -x##
 
basty said:
I mean if ##\sqrt{16} = 4## why ##\sqrt{x^2}## is not x?
But is ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4##?
 
Mark44 said:
But is ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4##?

Yes indeed.

Because ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = (-4)^{\frac{2}{2}} = (-4)^1 = -4##
 
Mark44 said:
But is ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4##?

basty said:
Yes indeed.
Absolutely not! ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = \sqrt{16} = 4 = |-4|##
 
Mark44 said:
Absolutely not! ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = \sqrt{16} = 4 = |-4|##

What about this?

##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = (-4)^{\frac{2}{2}} = (-4)^1 = -4##

Isn't from the above shows that ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4##?
 
basty said:
What about this?

##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = (-4)^{\frac{2}{2}} = (-4)^1 = -4##

Isn't from the above shows that ##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = -4##?
No, it doesn't.

The exponent properties you are using apply only to numbers that are nonnegative.

##\sqrt{(-4)^2} = [(-4)^2]^{1/2} = 16^{1/2} = + 4##
The rule that you are misusing says that ##(a^m)^n = a^{mn}##, provided that ##a \ge 0##.
 

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