Why is the MGF the Laplace transform?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the moment generating function (MGF) of a probability distribution and the Laplace transform. Participants explore the implications of using real versus complex variables in these transforms, particularly in relation to capturing oscillatory components and extracting moments from functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the Laplace transform provides insights into both exponential and oscillatory components, necessitating the use of the complex plane.
  • Others point out that the MGF, while useful for moment extraction and classification of distributions, is limited to real values and does not account for oscillatory behavior, which is better captured by the characteristic function.
  • One participant notes that the derivative of the exponential function with respect to a complex variable can be interpreted as a Laplace-Fourier transform, suggesting a broader context for these transformations.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of the expression involving the exponential function when the variable is purely imaginary or complex, indicating a potential lack of clarity in these cases.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which the Laplace transform can be inverted, highlighting that a complex variable is necessary for inversion, while real variables can still yield real-valued results for certain applications.
  • One participant rephrases their inquiry to understand the purpose of using a real variable in the integral, suggesting it may simply be a method to analyze decay properties of the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the MGF and the Laplace transform, with no consensus reached regarding the implications of using real versus complex variables in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the MGF is defined on a real interval, while Laplace transforms typically involve complex variables, which raises questions about the implications for analysis and interpretation of results.

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The MGF of a probability distribution is its Laplace transform. However, LTs have domain and codomains in the complex plane, whereas MGFs are real. Why is this not an issue?
The Laplace transform gives information about the exponential components in a function, as well as oscillatory components. To do so there is a need for the complex plane (complex exponentials).

I get why the MGF of a distribution is very useful (moment extraction and classification of the distribution in terms of its tails (exponential, subexponential, fat tailed, etc). But since the MGF has as domain an interval in the real line in which E[exp{tX}] is defined, and maps to [0, infinity], all the analysis of oscillatory components in the function is left out, and within the realm of the characteristic function. All that the MGF achieves is the "scalar product" with an exponential function. How can therefore be called the Laplace transform?
 
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\frac{d}{dt} e^{tX}=X e^{tX}
for any complex variable t. So you don't have to limit t a real number. In the case t is pure imaginary number it is called Fourier transform. So in general complex t, the transformation would be called Laplace-Fourier transform. The final results ##E^{(n)}(t=0)## remain real.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
\frac{d}{dt} e^{tX}=X e^{tX}
for any complex variable t. So you don't have to limit t a real number. In the case t is pure imaginary number it is called Fourier transform. So in general complex t, the transformation would be called Laplace-Fourier transform. The final results ##E^{(n)}(t=0)## remain real.
In terms of recovering moments it makes no difference, but what about capturing any oscillating sinusoidal components?
 
Even in usual case of real t, I am afraid you do not find a meaning of ##e^{tX}##. Neither I do not think you have to worry about meaningless in ##e^{tX}## for pure imaginary or complex t.
 
Joan Fernandez said:
Summary:: The MGF of a probability distribution is its Laplace transform. However, LTs have domain and codomains in the complex plane, whereas MGFs are real. Why is this not an issue?

The Laplace transform gives information about the exponential components in a function, as well as oscillatory components. To do so there is a need for the complex plane (complex exponentials).

I get why the MGF of a distribution is very useful (moment extraction and classification of the distribution in terms of its tails (exponential, subexponential, fat tailed, etc). But since the MGF has as domain an interval in the real line in which E[exp{tX}] is defined, and maps to [0, infinity], all the analysis of oscillatory components in the function is left out, and within the realm of the characteristic function. All that the MGF achieves is the "scalar product" with an exponential function. How can therefore be called the Laplace transform?

If f is real-valued, then <br /> \int_0^\infty f(x)e^{-tx}\,dx is real-valued for real t. What set t is in depends on your application. If you want to invert the transform, then t must be complex. On the other hand, if you want to extract \int_0^\infty x^n f(x)\,dx = \left. (-1)^n \frac{d^n}{dt^n}\left(\int_0^\infty f(x)e^{-tx}\,dx\right)\right|_{t=0} then t only needs to be in an interval which includes 0.
 
##\int\limits_0^\infty e^{-tx}f(x)dx=\sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-t)^n}{n!}\int\limits_0^\infty x^nf(x)dx##. Which can give moments for non-negative random variables. The Fourier transform removes the non-negative restriction.
 
pasmith said:
If f is real-valued, then <br /> \int_0^\infty f(x)e^{-tx}\,dx is real-valued for real t. What set t is in depends on your application. If you want to invert the transform, then t must be complex. On the other hand, if you want to extract \int_0^\infty x^n f(x)\,dx = \left. (-1)^n \frac{d^n}{dt^n}\left(\int_0^\infty f(x)e^{-tx}\,dx\right)\right|_{t=0} then t only needs to be in an interval which includes 0.
Right, I follow... So my question could really be re-phrased as: when t is complex we have a bona fides LT, but what is it that we are doing when in your first integral t is real? Are we just "dotting" the function with an exponential to see how it decays?
 
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